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Post by vu72 on May 23, 2006 11:36:27 GMT -5
if they are to compete at a meaningful level in the Horizon.
The final results are in and Valpo did WORSE this year versus last year versus the year before, in several sports.
My very unofficial results show the men, in particular having a very bad year. We know the football team was not very good, although slightly better than the year before. Baseball just finished 6th out of seven versus 5th the year before. I know it has been mentioned that Valpo will have a better chance in the Horizon because all the teams are "cold" weather teams. Notwithstanding this fact, we just lost four in a row to Western Illinois! Is it that much warmer in Macomb??
Looking at all the other men's sports the only improvement was in Soccer where we moved up to 4th from 6th. We finished 6th in Cross Country, swimming and Track.
The women are really improving. They had three conference championships and resulting NCAA appearances. They had firsts in volleyball, Tennis and Soccer. They did have a 7th place finish in Swimming and the basketball team dropped from a 2nd place finish last year to a fourth this year.
All of these statistics are based on regular season results, not conference tourney results.
Anyway, overall this isn't very impressive. The Commissioner Cup results aren't out yet but I'm guessing we finish fourth overall versus third last year. It is the Mid-Con, WE SHOULD BE DOING BETTER!!
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Post by ValpoHoops on May 23, 2006 11:41:18 GMT -5
Of course they have work to do, that's part of moving up in conference...it will take a couple years to adjust, but they will be fine...
Things are changing in baseball...though they haven't released it on the school site yet, Paul Twenge will not be returning as coach.
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Post by valpo89 on May 23, 2006 12:03:42 GMT -5
When will the Twenge announcement happen? Any other details?
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Post by valpotx on May 23, 2006 12:20:27 GMT -5
If this is true, I would be conflicted in my reaction. I really enjoyed playing for Coach Twenge, and he has been a great reference in my career. However, the results of the program have not been what they should have been with the talent that has gone through.
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Post by crusaderjoe on May 23, 2006 13:24:35 GMT -5
"Valpo has much work to do if they are to compete at a meaningful level in the conference (Horizon)."
Let's rewind and go back to 1991, a time where VU competed in a conference with at least five of the same members whom it will compete against in the year 2007.
The quoted statement above was as true back then as it is today, no?
As was pointed out in a previous post (rlh?), Valpo's past winning percentage against some of our new conference members in basketball was 37% I believe. What do you guys think will be the difference in getting to a point of competing at a meaningful level in all sports this time around in the HL?
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Post by vu72 on May 23, 2006 13:38:40 GMT -5
Actually our win percentage in Men's basketball has been slightly better than .500 over the last ten years (11-10). The rlh statistics include games game Detroit that go back to 1920, Loyola to 1921 and Butler to 1934.
Some sports we will be very competitive in from the get go. We should win in Volleyball and Women's basketball as examples. The sports we hurt in in the Mid-Con will have the same problems in the Horizon.
What will it take? Money. We are below the maximum allowed scholarship level in all sports except Men's and Women's basketball. We are near the max in baseball I beleive but sports like swimming and tennis share something like one scholarship for the whole team. Oakland, for example, has most of their swimmers on full rides. Very hard to compete, but--it can be done. Witness that same Women's tennis team going undefeated in conference play for three straight years, all on one schlarship annually.
Mark is working very hard, I'm sure, on raising the bar athletically. It will take time. If you are not a member of the Crusader Club, now is the time to join!!
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Post by valporun on May 23, 2006 15:02:17 GMT -5
vu72, I don't mean for this to sound bad, but the struggles for cross country were not the results of coaching, but the results of being very young and inexperienced at racing at the college level. There were 15 freshmen or sophomores, athletically-based, on this season's roster. All of the experience of the last 7 years, including the 5 years I was a member of the team, has graduated. There were also many injuries to runners who were expected to do well. It's just something Coach Straubel had to deal with, nothing he could do to change the inexperience, but next year should show better results due to having the experience. Another factor the team hurts from is only having one runner per class eligible to receive a full scholarship, so Coach will splice that scholarship for the runners he is looking for help and success from. Don't hold Coach Straubel over the rail for something he can't really control. Some of it comes down to the choices of the athletes on the team, and not the coach.
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Post by vu72 on May 23, 2006 15:20:22 GMT -5
I apologize if I implied that results were solely the coaches responsibility. Obviously injuries, bad attitudes etc can and do affect results. Finally however, over a long period of time, the coach is where the trail ends.
Looking back at Cross Country for example, since 2000 Valpo has finished in the top half of the conference twice (4th out of 9 in 2003 and 2000). The other four years we finished either 5th (2001) or 6th (2002, 2004, and 2005).
The scholarship issue is the one I most wanted to focus upon. I presume one per class is below the league average and NCAA maximums--true? This makes things very difficult and with the notable exception of Women's Tennis, almost universally similar in result.
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Post by valporun on May 23, 2006 16:35:15 GMT -5
I agree with you on the scholarship issue, but with running..injuries happen and between 2000-2004, there were many unexpected and unexplainable injuries that happened. I hope Coach Straubel can turn it around, but I don't hold youth and injuries against him. After re-reading your beginning post, track is a story proper facilities to train on and the coach stepping back and reworking his responsibilities. I know from having run for Coach Wingard that he expects alot from his athletes, but he doesn't give much in return for the purposes of sleep and study, but yet he would tell us to get on the ball about how to work in the classroom and around practice and meet schedules, which is difficult with the academic rigors Valpo expects of all students. Many athletes are up til 2-3 in the morning just doing homework and studying because of the time he practices..about 3 hours a day, then taking an hour for dinner, shower, relaxing and then remembering what we've got going on for the evening. He's one that really should be taken to task, although with our facility choices for workouts and such things..I'm not surprised with being 6th or so in conference every year. It also doesn't help that the team lacks depth after he conducts fall camp and shows the freshmen just what he expects of them..and then they say "Forget this" or some other more expletive-laden terms. Of course, we are students first, but the coaches do need to look at themselves and maybe rethink philosophy or recruiting to help lead the team up the standings and to Mid-Con/Horizon Leage titles.
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Post by bigdvu07 on May 23, 2006 19:54:03 GMT -5
Hi everyone. I've been reading the board for quite a while, but posting for the first time. As a current student at VU I can agree with most of what you all are saying. This was my first year here and I noticed much about the athletics. While we do have work to do with some teams, you've got a couple on the verge of coming through like the men's tennis team and the softball team. All it's going to take is consist play. Both teams have gained the experience both last year and the year before so I'd look for better results next year out of those two teams specifically. Of course, the big two sports are the basketball teams and it'll be very interesting to see how they do. Speaking of which, how close are we to the release of the basketball schedules, a month or two? Thanks for putting up with my first post guys!
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Post by valpo89 on May 23, 2006 20:04:55 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath for the basketball schedule. It seems like it was August or September last year.
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Post by vufan75 on May 23, 2006 21:55:56 GMT -5
Don't hold your breath for the basketball schedule. It seems like it was August or September last year. Back a couple months ago, on the last Inside Valpo tv show, Coach Drew mentioned what sounded like a soon to be announced game or series of games agreement with "The Ohio State University". Does anybody know if that series is still in the works, to begin this coming season? I've heard or read nothing about it since the mention on the tv show. And Valpo89 is correct, the last few years the men's schedule has been released either late in August, or early September.
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Post by vudad on May 24, 2006 9:14:27 GMT -5
Scholarships help, yes, but the real issue seems to me to be leadership (ie coaches) of the programs - at least of some of the programs. My son plays at Valpo and has one year remaining of eligibility. If not for friendships, love of the game, and a good engineering school, he'd have left long ago. The coach is a joke and everyone knows. If baseball is making a change, I hope that it signals the start of a little house cleaning that extends to other sports. The new conference presents a great opportunity to do so.
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Post by valpotx on May 24, 2006 9:29:47 GMT -5
Vudad, if you don't mind me asking, what sport does your son play?
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Post by bk on May 24, 2006 10:49:45 GMT -5
I have two really solid guesses on that one.
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