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Mid-Major Top 25
« Thread Started on Nov 8, 2009, 3:34pm »
I suspect they still won't keep an archive. So, shall we do it for them?

http://www.collegeinsider.com/mmpoll/
The CollegeInsider.com Mid-Major Top 25

From Nov. 2

1. Butler (28) 0-0 770 -
2. Gonzaga (2) 0-0 699 -
3. Siena (1) 0-0 699 -
4. Northern Iowa 0-0 612 -
5. Western Kentucky 0-0 585 -
6. Old Dominion 0-0 580 -
7. Creighton 0-0 568 -
8. Akron 0-0 444 -
9. Wright State 0-0 377 -
10. Niagara 0-0 366 -
11. VCU 0-0 313 -
12. George Mason 0-0 304 -
13. Northeastern 0-0 298 -
14. Oakland 0-0 288 -
15. Portland 0-0 285 -
16. Illinois State 0-0 236 -
17. College of Charleston 0-0 230 -
18. Cornell 0-0 215 -
19. Rider 0-0 190 -
20. Long Beach State 0-0 171 -
21. South Alabama 0-0 166 -
22. Boston University 0-0 114 -
23. St. Mary's 0-0 105 -
24. Davidson 0-0 102 -
25. Radford 0-0 99 -

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: North Texas 84, Cleveland State 82 , Troy 77, Kent State 76, Jacksonville 72, UC Santa Barbara 69, Southern Illinois 64, Morehead State 61, Wichita State 58, Sam Houston State 57, Holy Cross 50, Weber State 50, UW Milwaukee 46, Buffalo 44, Vermont 44, Morgan State 38, Mount St Mary's 38, Bradley 24, Stephen F Austin 15, American 14, East Tennessee State 14, Denver 13, Murray State 13, North Dakota State 14, Middle Tennessee State 11, Miami 9, Montana State 9, Portland State 9, San Diego 9, UNC Asheville 9, Western Carolina 9, Wisconsin Green-Bay 8, Appalachian State 7, Norfolk State 7, Cal State Northridge 6, Indiana State 6, South Dakota 6, South Carolina State 5, Montana 4, St Peters 4, Belmont 3, Lehigh 3, Arkansas Little Rock 2, Chicago State 2, Princeton 2, Santa Clara 2, SE Louisiana 2, Central Michigan 1, Detroit 1, Jackson State 1, Longwood 1, Quinnipiac 1, Texas A&M CC 1, Texas San Antonio 1, Wofford 1.

VOTING PANEL: Randy Bennett (St. Mary's), Will Brown (Albany), Rick Byrd (Belmont), Dave Calloway (Monmouth), Kermit Davis (Middle Tennessee), Steve Donahue (Cornell), Anthony Evans (Norfolk State), James Fox (Davidson), Mike Gillian (Longwood), Steve Hawkins (Western Michigan), Dick Hunsaker (Utah Valley), Eddie Jackson (American), Kerry Keating (Santa Clara) *, Billy Kennedy (Murray State), Tod Kowalczyk (UW-Green Bay), Jim Larranaga (George Mason), Jim Les (Bradley), Mike Lonergan (Vermont), Bob Marlin (Sam Houston State), Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Tom Moore (Quinnipiac), Jimmy Patsos (Loyola MD), Tom Pecora (Hofstra), Vann Pettaway (Alabama A&M), Rick Scruggs (Gardner-Webb), John Shulman (Chattanooga), Brad Stevens (Butler), Gary Stewart (UC Davis), Scott Sutton (Oral Roberts), Wayne Tinkle (Montana), Ernie Zeigler (Central Michigan)



* Santa Clara head coach Kerry Keating is the chairman of the Top 25 voting panel for the 2008-09 season.

NOTE: The Mid-Major Poll is made up of teams from the following conferences: America East, Atlantic Sun, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Colonial, Great West, Horizon, Independents, Ivy, Metro Atlantic, Mid-American, Mid-Eastern, Missouri Valley, Northeast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Southern, Southland, Southwestern, Summit, Sun Belt, West Coast.

The CollegeInsider.Com Mid-Major Top 25 is now in its eleventh season of existence.


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So, Butler 1st, Wright 9th, Cleveland ~27th, Milwaukee ~38, Green Bay ~57, Detroit ~74th (one vote).

Same order as the Horizon Leage pre-season poll.

Tod Kowalczyk and Brad Stevens both voting this season.
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Re: Mid-Major Top 25
« Reply #1 on Nov 9, 2009, 9:08am »
how do they determine which coaches get to vote? is it based on team performance the prior season?
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First year in the Horizon League and we went to the semifinals. I do believe that's a pretty good showing.
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Re: Mid-Major Top 25
« Reply #2 on Nov 9, 2009, 9:40am »
Not sure. I would have guessed it's fairly arbitrary within each conference, but I'm not sure.

Looks like 31 voters and 23 conferences. So, maybe one for every conference, and a second for eight of them?

Going from memory:
MVC (Wichita State, Bradley)
Summit (Oral Roberts)
MAC (Central Michigan, Western Michigan)
WCC (St. Mary's)
Horizon (Butler, UWGB)
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Re: Mid-Major Top 25
« Reply #3 on Nov 23, 2009, 4:53pm »
I should post this before it turns over. Maybe I missed one already?

The biggest surprise I've had so far is how far Wright State fell for losing to Washington. These voters like the undefeated record...



Record


Points


Previous

1. Butler (28) 1-0 768 1
2. Gonzaga (3) 1-0 730 2
3. Siena 1-0 709 3
4. Northern Iowa 1-0 655 4
5. Western Kentucky 0-0 618 5
6. Old Dominion 1-0 603 6
7. George Mason 2-0 489 12
8. VCU 1-0 456 11
9. Rider 1-0 437 19
10. Cornell 1-0 425 18
11. Creighton 0-1 423 7
12. Portland 1-0 380 15
13. Illinois State 1-0 359 16
14. Wright State 2-1 351 9
15. Northeastern 0-0 307 13
16. Akron 0-1 261 8
17. Niagara 0-1 251 10
18. Long Beach State 1-0 168 20
19. San Diego 1-0 154 NR
20. Oakland 0-1 125 14
21. South Alabama 2-1 124 21
22. St. Mary's 1-0 96 23
23. Radford 1-0 87 25
24. Davidson 0-1 81 24
25. Texas San Antonio 1-0 77 NR

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Southern Illinois 62, College of Charleston 59, North Texas 51, Ken State 50, Wisconsin Green Bay 48, IUPUI 47, Morgan State 44, Sam Houston State 43, UC Santa Barbara 42, Coastal Carolina 36, Harvard 35, Boston University 34, Montana 33, Weber State 29, Milwaukee 28, Jacksonville 26, Buffalo 19, Wichita State 19, Murray State 17, Troy 17, Cleveland State 16, Eastern Michigan 16, Mercer 16, Texas A&M Corpus Christi 12, North Dakota State 12, Bradley 10, Mount St Mary's 10, Appalachian State 9, Morehead State 9, Pacific 9, Western Carolina 9, Holy Cross 8, Santa Clara 8, Vermont 8, Norfolk State 7, Princeton 6, Middle Tennessee State 5, East Tennessee State 4, American 3, Detroit 3, Lehigh 3, Chicago State 2, Loyola (Chicago) 2, South Dakota 2, Austin Peay 1, Denver 1, Quinnipiac 1.
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Re: Mid-Major Top 25
« Reply #4 on Nov 27, 2009, 5:25am »
And here's the poll actually from Nov 23rd (the previous post is the Nov 16th poll)

1. Butler (28) 3-0 772 1
2. Gonzaga (3) 2-1 746 2
3. Old Dominion 4-0 637 6
4. Siena 2-1 627 3
5. Western Kentucky 1-1 605 5
6. VCU 2-1 561 8
7. Northern Iowa 2-1 553 4
8. Creighton 2-1 521 11
9. Portland 3-0 467 12
10. Cornell 2-1 456 10
11. George Mason 3-2 444 7
12. Illinois State 2-0 388 13
13. Wright State 2-1 369 14
14. Rider 2-2 311 9
15. Niagara 3-2 234 17
16. Northeastern 1-1 224 15
17. Long Beach State 3-1 187 18
18. Akron 2-2 163 16
19. Ohio 3-0 155 NR
20. Detroit 4-1 153 NR
21. Cal State Fullerton 2-0 142 NR
22. St. Mary's 2-1 115 22
23. Murray State 3-1 103 NR
24. Radford 2-1 100 23
25. Northern Colorado 5-0 99 NR

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Texas-San Antonio 91, San Diego 87, Morgan State 69, Missouri State 59, Kent State 53, Southern Illinois 46, North Texas 45, Pacific 41, South Alabama 37, Wichita State 34, Cleveland State 30, Boston University 28, Buffalo 23, Vermont 23, UC Santa Barbara 22, College of Charleston 20, Jacksonville 17, Oakland 17, Wofford 17, Wisconsin Green-Bay 16, Milwaukee 16, IUPUI 15, Indiana State 14, Appalachian State 12, Holy Cross 11, Troy 10, Princeton 9, Davidson 8, Eastern Michigan 8, Campbell 7, Norfolk State 7, Bradley 6, Montana 6, Mount St Mary's 6, Stony Brook 6, Western Carolina 6, Furman 4, Sam Houston State 4, Ball State 3, Denver 3, Morehead State 2, Chicago State 2, Bucknell 1, Robert Morris 1, Western Michigan 1.

Detroit makes a big move! Not sure what's all that impressive about defeating Robert Morris, Albany, and Alcorn State (!). But, good to see Detroit winning some games. And, watching them play Cal, they do look pretty tough this year.

Other teams have started to pick up losses, and I continue think Wright State was punished unfairly for losing to Washington. Beating Northeastern would help their cause.

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Re: Mid-Major Top 25
« Reply #5 on Nov 27, 2009, 5:32am »
May as well keep track of the Bulldogs too (though ESPN does archive this information):

Week AP/ESPN-USA Today
Pre 11/10
1 11/10
2 12/10


This weekend obviously has huge implications for Butler. For their ranking and for their NCAA tournament seeding.

They'll play some other good teams later (Georgetown, Ohio State, Xavier, Alabama), but wins against Minnesota and Clemson or West Virginia - on ESPN - would be huge. Butler's not done well against the top 25 over the years, despite their national ranking.

(Yes, yes - I know they've already played Minnesota. But I haven't watched the game yet. Don't spoil it!)

(They'll have to beat Portland or UCLA too; not sure which is the bigger win there. The Pac10 doesn't look so hot this year.)
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