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Post by stlvufan on Aug 19, 2008 17:52:58 GMT -5
I just found this post on another website discussing the issue. It pretty much sums up the point I am trying to make: I have a problem with the phrase "are forced to". No, they aren't. Outside of that, it's an idea worthy of discussion and examination. I'm not sold yet, but it does have some things going for it. |
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Post by TD on Aug 19, 2008 21:00:22 GMT -5
I just found this post on another website discussing the issue. It pretty much sums up the point I am trying to make: So it's basically lower the drinking age to 18 but enforcing fully all the laws associated with drinking in general. Don't let anyone have an inch if they are breaking the drinking laws. Actually that is the way they do it in Europe. In Germany if you drink & drive you lose your license for a year. Do it again you lose it for 3 years. Do it for a third time and your license is gone forever. |
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Post by leftcoast on Aug 19, 2008 23:01:28 GMT -5
To answer Valpo04's question about a campus opening a bar for students it is already being done. Washington State University in Pullman is opening 2 bars in its student union building this year. The reasoning is it's better to have students drinking on campus than drinking off campus and driving to find alcohol. Its the old "they're going to drink anyway so why don't we make it as safe as possible" argument.
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Post by valpotx on Aug 20, 2008 16:03:51 GMT -5
I think this initiative is so stupid!! There is a HUGE difference in maturity between an 18 year old and a 21 year old! I did some really stupid things with alcohol when I was 18, and honestly, I would not have been any more responsible if it was legal for me to do so. This measure would probably cause even more accidents, since they could get the alcohol more readily, but not be ready for its effects...
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Post by milwvu04 on Aug 21, 2008 1:01:46 GMT -5
I always liked the idea of the campus opening it's own brewery. We joked around with it, but why not remember the German Lutheran heritage! It would keep students on campus and make some income as well. Hmm... Crusader Ale Porter County Porter Valpo Light Brown & Gold  |
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Post by papa on Aug 21, 2008 11:25:09 GMT -5
I always liked the idea of the campus opening it's own brewery. We joked around with it, but why not remember the German Lutheran heritage! It would keep students on campus and make some income as well. Hmm... Crusader Ale Porter County Porter Valpo Light Brown & Gold I like your thinking. even though my college days are long gone & I don't drink beer anymore...I still like to run around with people who do. |
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Post by jj on Aug 21, 2008 11:49:56 GMT -5
;D Like your labels milwvu04. At 804 Union we drank our fair share of:
Champagne Velvet (Terre Haute)
Greisdieck (St. Louis),and from Milwaukee:
Blatz
Pabst
Schlitz
Miller and a brew from LaCrosse I don't quite remember - Heilman's? FUN!
At last year's homecoming at 804 it was water on the rocks. BUMMER!
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Post by vu72 on Aug 21, 2008 13:19:40 GMT -5
In our day it was a lot of Strohs (Detroit) but how about Old Style (Chicago) or Special Ex! I remember buying beer by the quart at 50 cents! Oh the good old days!
Anyway, a pub on campus is a really good idea in addition to my previous thoughts about the frat houses. After all, how many school fight songs involve "roll out the barrel"!!
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Post by valporun on Aug 21, 2008 13:55:27 GMT -5
In our day it was a lot of Strohs (Detroit) but how about Old Style (Chicago) or Special Ex! I remember buying beer by the quart at 50 cents! Oh the good old days! Anyway, a pub on campus is a really good idea in addition to my previous thoughts about the frat houses. After all, how many school fight songs involve "roll out the barrel"!! You have a good point with the "roll out the barrel" line. I don't know that the idea would work unless the bar was to go in over in the area by the frat houses, because the presence of a bar in the center of the Valpo campus might not bode well with very conservative parents on campus tours. |
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Post by milwvu04 on Aug 21, 2008 16:39:47 GMT -5
brew from LaCrosse I don't quite remember - Heilman's? Yeah, Heileman's Old Style - The name is still around, but not as it used to be. Not much is left in Milwaukee anymore. Miller's parent company is in London, while the new Miller-Coors joint venture will be based in Chicago. Leinenkugel, based in Chippewa Falls, has been increaingly popular nationwide. I can find that easier than an MGD in Kentucky.  Shlitz has re-introduced the classic 60's formula, available only in bottles in the Chicago area. The former brewery was turned into an office park, which I worked at a few summers in college. I was in China a few years ago, where you would find two American imports - Budweiser and Pabst Blue Ribbon! -- Back on the age topic, if there is a heavy-drinking kid, he will continue to drink the same no matter what the age limit is. Lowering the age limit would take some of the patrolling duties away from law enforcement and some of the fears of getting in trouble from the kids. If it wasn't illegal for an 18-year-old to drink, some may not treat it like an experience of going out to break the law. |
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Post by CO_VU_Fan on Aug 21, 2008 17:53:49 GMT -5
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Post by papa on Aug 21, 2008 18:58:10 GMT -5
How about Lone Star & Pearl from Tx. used to go to Indy 500 & trade a can of Lone Star for 3 cans of Miller or Bud , didn't have to take that much beer in that way & I didn't like lone Star anyway , just brought it in to trade.
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Post by valpofan56 on Aug 21, 2008 21:37:56 GMT -5
My grandpa swears by a Minnesota original, Hamm's.
They used to have the Hamm's Beer Bear. Which would never fly today as it would clearly be directed toward children.
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Post by TD on Aug 21, 2008 22:04:18 GMT -5
How about Lone Star & Pearl from Tx. used to go to Indy 500 & trade a can of Lone Star for 3 cans of Miller or Bud , didn't have to take that much beer in that way & I didn't like lone Star anyway , just brought it in to trade. Only cans at the 500 now. No bottles at all. That is a downer for real beer consumers who are interested in taste. By the way the Indy police are very prevelent after the races (Brickyard 400, Indy 500 & previously the American Grand Prix which it looks like has left IMS for the present time) in watching people get out of the area safely. They usually just lock the drunks up overnight and make sure they pay the fines for PI. |
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