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Post by rick on Apr 9, 2010 10:03:40 GMT -5
Is VU still sponsoring this smutfest on campus?
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Post by valpo04 on Apr 9, 2010 10:28:01 GMT -5
Its not a smutfest... have you gone?
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Post by rick on Apr 9, 2010 13:12:40 GMT -5
Its not a smutfest... have you gone? Yes I have seen it and it is indeed a smutfest where they constantly encourage the use of the "c" word to describe the vagina. It's a vile play that I'm sure most parents would not appreciate being sponsored at a "Christian" college.
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Post by rick on Apr 9, 2010 13:30:27 GMT -5
They promote premarital sex and promiscuity. It's quite sick despite all the hip liberals who think it's cool. Parents of VU students: Is this what you want your children watching and participating in at a "Christian" school? www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI7x9wzjAKY Note that ole Bob loved the way they looked, smelled and felt. Is this what VU stands for? Is VU that "progressive?" Boy, you deep thinkers are really quite odd. Sad.
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Post by rick on Apr 9, 2010 13:31:43 GMT -5
Any institution which sanctioned works of art that undermined its deepest values would be inauthentic, irresponsible, and ultimately self-destructive. Rev. Brian J. Shanley, O.P., Ph.D., President Providence College
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Post by rick on Apr 9, 2010 13:39:11 GMT -5
Catholic Women's Joint Statement on Monologues We are Catholic women who have been called to serve the Church in various ways, in fidelity to Church teaching and with respect for our Pope and bishops. We are saddened that individuals at numerous colleges and universities-including Catholic institutions-have chosen to address the terrible problem of violence against women by presenting benefit performances of The Vagina Monologues. The play is offered as a celebration of women, but it fails to appreciate women's true dignity and therefore has little impact on the flawed mindset that permits social, mental, physical and sexual oppression against women. The play's emphasis on genital anatomy and sexual activity, including lesbian encounters and masturbation, degrades women and fails to appreciate their true dignity and vocation. "This text separates the beautiful gift of sexuality from its purpose, which includes the expression of a gift of oneself to another in a permanent union of life and love. Indeed, the play also separates the gift of human sexuality from the woman herself, from her body and her spirit and from the bearing of children."[1] The Monologues characters place little emphasis on love and service to others, which are primary elements of women's dignity. This love and service are best modeled in the roles most natural to women: those of spouse, mother and virgin. "A woman's dignity is closely connected with the love which she receives by the very reason of her femininity; it is likewise connected with the love which she gives in return. Woman can only find herself by giving love to others. A woman is strong because of the fact that God 'entrusts the human being to her,' always and in every way, even in the situations of social discrimination in which she may find herself."[2] To fully appreciate women's dignity, even when confronted by injustice and abuse, we turn to the Son of God and His Mother Mary. Jesus Christ halted the stoning of the woman "caught in adultery"[3] by first making the men who accused her aware of their own sin, "thereby revealing His profound capacity to see human consciences and actions in their true light."[4] It is through Christ that women find God's redemption, healing and guidance. "The dignity of every human being and the vocation corresponding to that dignity find their definitive measure in union with God," and so we turn to Mary, "the most complete expression of this dignity and vocation," who submitted herself to God's will and remained free from sin.[5] While we support the cause of combating violence against women, we urge colleges and universities to do so without hosting the play The Vagina Monologues or involving the V-Day association that sponsors the play. In particular, we urge Catholic colleges and universities to refrain from hosting this play and to teach students about the dignity of women and the vocation that leads them to salvation. [1] Concerning a Presentation at Notre Dame, Bishop John D'Arcy, Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend (February 2004) [2] On the Dignity and Vocation of Women, Pope John Paul II (Sept. 30, 1988), 30 [3] John 8:3-11 [4] On the Dignity and Vocation of Women, Pope John Paul II (Sept. 30, 1988), 14 [5] On the Dignity and Vocation of Women, Pope John Paul II (Sept. 30, 1988), 5
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Post by valpo04 on Apr 9, 2010 14:06:40 GMT -5
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Post by jj on Apr 9, 2010 15:05:28 GMT -5
It has come to my attention that the Vatican has had a change of direction relative its position on the Vagina Monologues. Since most priests have never seen a vagina, they are now being encouraged to find out what the Vaginia Monologues are all about. Hopefully,this will encourage priests,particularly the pedophiles, to chase the Nuns rather than innocent young boys. And maybe,just maybe, priests will be once again be allowed to marry. Hope so.
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Post by valporun on Apr 9, 2010 23:08:01 GMT -5
I guess I'm not entirely surprised that rick would rehash this recent years' old argument over why Valpo insists on presenting this show on campus, but now that he's also insisted on adding in the Catholic value to it. I get the feeling that you, rick, still believe that Catholic priests are right and upstanding men of the cloth who do no wrong, and lead young men in the right Godly path of Christian life with a Catholic base.
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Post by valpo04 on Apr 10, 2010 7:38:35 GMT -5
I guess I'm not entirely surprised that rick would rehash this recent years' old argument over why Valpo insists on presenting this show on campus, but now that he's also insisted on adding in the Catholic value to it. I get the feeling that you, rick, still believe that Catholic priests are right and upstanding men of the cloth who do no wrong, and lead young men in the right Godly path of Christian life with a Catholic base. He actually posted the same thing last time: Catholic Women's Joint Statement on Monologues We are Catholic women who have been called to serve the Church in various ways, in fidelity to Church teaching and with respect for our Pope and bishops. We are saddened that individuals at numerous colleges and universities-including Catholic institutions-have chosen to address the terrible problem of violence against women by presenting benefit performances of The Vagina Monologues. The play is offered as a celebration of women, but it fails to appreciate women's true dignity and therefore has little impact on the flawed mindset that permits social, mental, physical and sexual oppression against women. The play's emphasis on genital anatomy and sexual activity, including lesbian encounters and masturbation, degrades women and fails to appreciate their true dignity and vocation. "This text separates the beautiful gift of sexuality from its purpose, which includes the expression of a gift of oneself to another in a permanent union of life and love. Indeed, the play also separates the gift of human sexuality from the woman herself, from her body and her spirit and from the bearing of children."[1] The Monologues characters place little emphasis on love and service to others, which are primary elements of women's dignity. This love and service are best modeled in the roles most natural to women: those of spouse, mother and virgin. "A woman's dignity is closely connected with the love which she receives by the very reason of her femininity; it is likewise connected with the love which she gives in return. Woman can only find herself by giving love to others. A woman is strong because of the fact that God 'entrusts the human being to her,' always and in every way, even in the situations of social discrimination in which she may find herself."[2] To fully appreciate women's dignity, even when confronted by injustice and abuse, we turn to the Son of God and His Mother Mary. Jesus Christ halted the stoning of the woman "caught in adultery"[3] by first making the men who accused her aware of their own sin, "thereby revealing His profound capacity to see human consciences and actions in their true light."[4] It is through Christ that women find God's redemption, healing and guidance. "The dignity of every human being and the vocation corresponding to that dignity find their definitive measure in union with God," and so we turn to Mary, "the most complete expression of this dignity and vocation," who submitted herself to God's will and remained free from sin.[5] While we support the cause of combating violence against women, we urge colleges and universities to do so without hosting the play The Vagina Monologues or involving the V-Day association that sponsors the play. In particular, we urge Catholic colleges and universities to refrain from hosting this play and to teach students about the dignity of women and the vocation that leads them to salvation. [1] Concerning a Presentation at Notre Dame, Bishop John D'Arcy, Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend (February 2004) [2] On the Dignity and Vocation of Women, Pope John Paul II (Sept. 30, 1988), 30 [3] John 8:3-11 [4] On the Dignity and Vocation of Women, Pope John Paul II (Sept. 30, 1988), 14 [5] On the Dignity and Vocation of Women, Pope John Paul II (Sept. 30, 1988), 5 Again, if any would like to see how this thread will go, just read the exact same one from 2006 to save your time.
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Post by rick on Apr 10, 2010 8:17:54 GMT -5
I guess I'm not entirely surprised that rick would rehash this recent years' old argument over why Valpo insists on presenting this show on campus, but now that he's also insisted on adding in the Catholic value to it. I get the feeling that you, rick, still believe that Catholic priests are right and upstanding men of the cloth who do no wrong, and lead young men in the right Godly path of Christian life with a Catholic base. You are revealing a profound ignorance about the Catholic Church. This is not surprising, most Protestants are equally ignorant, have not studied Church history, and they, like lemmings, have bought into the typical stereotypes of what they have been taught by their Protestant brethren as to what they think Catholics are and what they believe. This Catholic bigotry is nothing new. And to suggest that because some folks do bad things, that everyone associated with those folks in title also do bad things is illogical thinking at it's worst and illustrative of religious bigotry at best. You and JJ seem to be the worst offenders of this bias. Try picking up a few history books about Christianity and read some of the writings of the Early Church Fathers, all of whom were Catholic, to learn how the Catholic Church (the Church founded by Jesus Christ)developed and evolved and what it was taught by Jesus and the Apostles and how it struggled against heresies from within and without, many of which are still present today. You might just learn something and stop making such ridiculous and biased statements that frankly make you and JJ look like fools.
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Post by rick on Apr 10, 2010 8:29:48 GMT -5
Thanks for that link. It has some very good stuff in it which reveals just how much of a smut-fest the VM is. Many Christians find the VM offensive and something which should not be promoted or celebrated on a Christian campus anywhere. Too bad that the poison of liberalism has affected so many "Christian" colleges who have bought into spirit of the age and would conclude that something like the VM is harmless or trivial. Liberalism has infected even the Lutheran and Presbyterian churches with ELCA and PresbyUSA. They are bastardizing Scripture and have joined with the politically correct world in calling good evil and evil good. It seems that even Valpo U has begun leaning more toward the liberal ELCA view rather than with the more orthodox LCMS position. Liberalism is a cancer in society and in the church. Its roots and advent were during the enlightenment and its path of destruction and division in both the church and society are sadly all too clear even today.
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Post by vuweathernerd on Apr 10, 2010 12:21:56 GMT -5
thanks for giving the rest of us conservatives on the board a bad name, rick.
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Post by rick on Apr 10, 2010 15:17:20 GMT -5
thanks for giving the rest of us conservatives on the board a bad name, rick. Exactly what that I presented gives conservatives a bad name? I don't speak for conservatives - we all do a good job speaking our own minds. Do you think VM should be sanctioned by a Christian school? Why or why not? If what you are referring to are the comments I made about liberal "Christians" (an oxymoron), just what specifically bothers you about what I wrote? You should try using reason and logic and not ad hominem statements. What gives conservatives a bad name? If you are a conservative as you claim, tell me in your own words what I wrote that you think is not indicative of conservative thought. Lay it out rather than make a personal attack. Let's see if you are conservative. If you really are conservative, who do you think are the top 10 contemporary conservative thinkers who represent your brand of conservatism? And which conservative still living do you most admire? What do you think conservatism is? Does Rush Limbaugh express conservatism well? I have often encountered anonymous posters who claim to be conservative but who really are just deceiving people to promote their particular brand of liberalism and are trying to fool people into believing they are conservative. I expect you might be one of those. Convince me otherwise. Tell me what kind of conservative you are. Most genuine conservatives are not afraid to answer the questions I asked. They are proud and unapologetic to admit what they believe, unlike liberals who are ashamed of being liberal and who run from their true beliefs and try and refer to some other name or euphemism such as "progressive" so that people won't learn what they really believe, which is quite hideous.
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Post by vuweathernerd on Apr 11, 2010 12:21:40 GMT -5
it's got more to do with your insane close-mindedness and your "my-way-or-it's-socialism" attitude. conservatives in this country used to stand for smaller government and individual accountability. you're just as partisan as the likes of nancy pelosi, dick cheney, and rush limbaugh. people like you refuse to compromise and it's attitudes like this that have american politics in its current state of shambles. why was ronald reagan so successful? he recognized the importance of compromise-willingness to do so lends a great amount of credibility to any movement.
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