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Post by milanmiracle on Nov 8, 2010 20:22:58 GMT -5
I am sure most people in the Indy area already know this, but I was just checking to see how many Butler games I could watch at home. Because they are covered now (and last year too) by MyINDY TV (local channel 23) they have 14 games you can watch with over the air TV, along with 5 games on ESPN or ESPN2. In all, only 3 games aren't on some version of television (ESPNU or ESPN3). If we don't think that Butler is widening the gap in the Horizon League, we're kidding ourselves. Being on TV all the time is a fantastic way to build a fan base.
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Post by wh on Nov 8, 2010 21:49:35 GMT -5
I am sure most people in the Indy area already know this, but I was just checking to see how many Butler games I could watch at home. Because they are covered now (and last year too) by MyINDY TV (local channel 23) they have 14 games you can watch with over the air TV, along with 5 games on ESPN or ESPN2. In all, only 3 games aren't on some version of television (ESPNU or ESPN3). If we don't think that Butler is widening the gap in the Horizon League, we're kidding ourselves. Being on TV all the time is a fantastic way to build a fan base. In all due respect, I'm not that impressed. Butler has a built-in advantage over every other HL team in that they reside in one of the largest metropolitan regions in the country, in a basketball crazy state no less - and, they don't have a higher profile university in town to compete against. It's about time they start capitalizing on it. Next thing you know, they'll actually start filling up Hinkle once in a blue moon. |
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Post by gmoser1210 on Nov 8, 2010 23:35:51 GMT -5
Butler has a built-in advantage over every other HL team in that they reside in one of the largest metropolitan regions in the country.... Indianapolis is the 14th largest city by population. Chicago is 3rd, Detroit is 11th, Milwaukee is 26th, Cleveland is 43rd, Dayton is 154th, and Green Bay is 268th. Your argument about the large metropolitan region can also be said about Loyola, UIC, and Detroit, and maybe even Milwaukee, and Cleveland State. ....and, they don't have a higher profile university in town to compete against.... With the exceptions of Wright State and Milwaukee, what other HL schools have higher profile universities in their respective cities? I suppose you could argue UIC and Loyola have Northwestern and DePaul, but Cleveland? Valpo? Detroit? Besides, Indianapolis is not a town that is sold on Butler like Bloomington, Lafayette, South Bend, Muncie, or Terre Haute are for IU, Purdue, Notre Dame, Ball State, or ISU, respectively. Indianapolis is much more IU/Purdue-oriented than it is Butler-oriented. Throw in the Colts and Butler has a lot of competition that other schools don't have to worry about in their cities. ....Next thing you know, they'll actually start filling up Hinkle once in a blue moon. Butler had the highest average attendance rate in the Horizon in 2010. They were 78th overall, the only HL school in the top 100. The HL average is 3,416 (down 67 from 2009), good for 13th. Butler's average was 6,852; Wright State 5,277; Green Bay 3,847; UIC 3,629; Milwaukee 2,883; Valpo 2,739. Detroit 2,536; Youngstown 2,498; Cleveland 2,278; Loyola 2,208. It's hard for any HL school to throw a stone at Butler when it comes to attendance. That said, I hope a sold-out Hinkle is a more common occurrence. |
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Post by okinawatyphoon on Nov 8, 2010 23:39:38 GMT -5
Valpo is in the Chicago Metropolitan area, so we compete with every school in the area for airtime. Loyola, Northwestern, UIC, Chicago State, and DePaul. And those are just the D1 schools!
While Butler may have the highest attendance, it also has the biggest arena. Average attendance was 6800, but does that fill up an 11,000 seat arena? Wh's argument had nothing to do with average attendance, just about filling up the arena.
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Post by gmoser1210 on Nov 9, 2010 0:57:10 GMT -5
| School | Arena | Capacity | Average Attendance | % of Capacity | | Butler | Hinkle Fieldhouse | 10,000 | 6,852 | 68.2% | | Valpo | ARC | 5,000 | 2,739 | 54.8% | | UIC | UIC Pavilion | 6,958 | 3,629 | 52.2% | | Wright State | Nutter Center | 12,000 | 5,277 | 43.9% | | Loyola | Gentile Center | 5,200 | 2,208 | 42.5% | | Youngstown State | Beeghley Center | 6,500 | 2,498 | 38.4% | | Green Bay | Resch Center | 10,200 | 3,847 | 37.7% | | Detroit | Calihan Hall | 8,295 | 2,536 | 30.6% | | Milwaukee | U.S. Cellular Arena | 10,783 | 2,883 | 26.7% | | Cleveland State | Wolstein Center | 13,610 | 2,278 | 16.7% |
Butler's capacity is down to 10,000 after recent renovations required by the ADA. They actually have the 5th largest arena for men's basketball in the HL. They usually fill 68.2% of their arena, which is the best rate in the league. |
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Post by motowntitan on Nov 9, 2010 6:54:19 GMT -5
gmoser- I hope you are not counting the two home games in the Horizon League Tournament. All, What Butler doesn't have to compete with at all are the following: 1) Any D1 Football program in the state, with any relevance, since Drew Brews left Purdue.  2) Any Pro Hockey Team. 3) Any Pro Baseball team. One could argue that the Pro teams have nothing to do with college bball. That would be false. The personal expenditures and corporate sponsorships occur over the course of an entire fiscal year. |
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Post by dylanrocks on Nov 9, 2010 12:17:33 GMT -5
The capacity of the U.S. Cellular Arena (aka The Cell) has never been 12,700, unless that's what it holds for the circus or monster truck shows.
The listed capacity for basketball is 10,783, down from 11,052 during its heyday of 1969-85, when it hosted Bucks and Marquette games.
With the tarp the Panthers have used over undesirable upper-level end zone seats over the last two seasons, the new official capacity is 6,850.
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Post by gmoser1210 on Nov 9, 2010 12:18:46 GMT -5
I'm counting whatever the NCAA is counting. I'm using their numbers.
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Post by dylanrocks on Nov 9, 2010 12:24:35 GMT -5
I understand and don't doubt the legitimacy of the source.
It does seem silly, though, to include in the listed capacity thousands of seats that for all but the Marquette game aren't even available for purchase.
All of this, of course, is further evidence that the Panthers need to get back on campus.
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Post by gmoser1210 on Nov 9, 2010 14:13:59 GMT -5
Dylan- My comment was referring to MotownTitan's post hoping I wasn't using the tournament games. As far as the cell's capacity, I was looking at the wrong thing on wikipedia. It's always a reliable source. Wikipedia actually lists 10,783 as the capacity for basketball. I'll fix my earlier post to reflect that number. My question is, if the capacity for the cell is down to 6,850, what's the benefit to using it versus the Klotsche Center, which holds 5,000? You'd think the cost of the cell would be more than the profit the few times a UWM game attracts more than 5,000 people. |
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Post by okinawatyphoon on Nov 9, 2010 14:45:52 GMT -5
My mistake about arena sizes, but wh's arugment still stands. Hopefully Valpo can get the percentage filled closer to 60% this season.
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Post by vuweathernerd on Nov 9, 2010 16:12:39 GMT -5
My mistake about arena sizes, but wh's arugment still stands. Hopefully Valpo can get the percentage filled closer to 60% this season. i'd personally like to see it up near 85 or 90%, but that's going to take some winning. maybe if we beat kansas... |
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Post by dylanrocks on Nov 9, 2010 18:25:07 GMT -5
Moser:
Unfortunately, Klotsche's listed capacity of 5,000 is the figment of someone's vivid imagination. It never seated that many and the capacity has since been reduced by renovations to about 3,750. That is, if the fire marshal is looking the other way.
In additions, amenities at a facility that's ancient by modern standards are nil. Two goodie stands; two bathrooms, one for each gender; and no video boards.
They're just as well off tearing the thing down and starting from stratch.
Come up for the game against Western Michigan on Nov. 23 and you'll see everything you need to see. Buy you a beer.
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Post by milanmiracle on Nov 10, 2010 17:17:08 GMT -5
I am sure most people in the Indy area already know this, but I was just checking to see how many Butler games I could watch at home. Because they are covered now (and last year too) by MyINDY TV (local channel 23) they have 14 games you can watch with over the air TV, along with 5 games on ESPN or ESPN2. In all, only 3 games aren't on some version of television (ESPNU or ESPN3). If we don't think that Butler is widening the gap in the Horizon League, we're kidding ourselves. Being on TV all the time is a fantastic way to build a fan base. In all due respect, I'm not that impressed. Butler has a built-in advantage over every other HL team in that they reside in one of the largest metropolitan regions in the country, in a basketball crazy state no less - and, they don't have a higher profile university in town to compete against. It's about time they start capitalizing on it. Next thing you know, they'll actually start filling up Hinkle once in a blue moon. With all due respect, it doesn't matter why they have the advantages they do, the fact is they are capitalizing on it. That doesn't help anybody else in the Horizon League except Butler. |
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Post by vuweathernerd on Nov 10, 2010 18:43:42 GMT -5
In all due respect, I'm not that impressed. Butler has a built-in advantage over every other HL team in that they reside in one of the largest metropolitan regions in the country, in a basketball crazy state no less - and, they don't have a higher profile university in town to compete against. It's about time they start capitalizing on it. Next thing you know, they'll actually start filling up Hinkle once in a blue moon. With all due respect, it doesn't matter why they have the advantages they do, the fact is they are capitalizing on it. That doesn't help anybody else in the Horizon League except Butler. we can (and probably ought to) indirectly benefit from it. they're getting better recruits and thereby getting more ncaa wins, and the conference more money. let's start banking our share of the conference pot for the next few years and invest it in our facilities. |
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