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Post by vuweathernerd on Dec 21, 2010 19:01:33 GMT -5
Are there any future plans for changes to the ARC? Also, as far as the budget goes for the department, I know that ticket prices have more than doubled since 1998. So, revenue should be up enough to warrant some small improvements to the sound system. How much of that revenue went into the remodeling of Hilltop Gym and the Arena floor? You would think there would be a small amount, or maybe someone who has a better ear for listening to John's voice through the sound system to find out how much he needs to be turned up, and get him balanced so there isn't feedback that strikes back at the crowd. I don't know who does the sound work in pre-game, but obviously whoever does isn't paying much attention to it. they seem more intent on deafening the crowd with craptastic music.
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Post by valporun on Dec 21, 2010 19:05:42 GMT -5
How much of that revenue went into the remodeling of Hilltop Gym and the Arena floor? You would think there would be a small amount, or maybe someone who has a better ear for listening to John's voice through the sound system to find out how much he needs to be turned up, and get him balanced so there isn't feedback that strikes back at the crowd. I don't know who does the sound work in pre-game, but obviously whoever does isn't paying much attention to it. they seem more intent on deafening the crowd with craptastic music. The music has nothing to do with John's voice getting thru the microphone to the sound system and speakers. That's a whole separate line, and obviously whomever it is thinks the canned stuff needs to be loud, when most of it is the same stuff that has been around for too long. I can't say much about it for when rlh works with it because the crowd isn't as large for women's basketball, so he sounds fine thru the video. John, I can barely hear, so its either the sound system, or John...I'm not totally sure, but if I was working for the athletic department doing sound, I'd be working with John often on that.
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Post by valpospartan on Dec 21, 2010 21:34:24 GMT -5
Who ever selects the craptastic music surely isn't picking it for the majority of the audience. My observation is that, with the exception of marquee games, the makeup of the fans in attendance is adults quite a bit older than college age. So why play such "young" music? And of course, why so loud?
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Post by rlh on Dec 21, 2010 22:11:47 GMT -5
Who ever selects the craptastic music surely isn't picking it for the majority of the audience. My observation is that, with the exception of marquee games, the makeup of the fans in attendance is adults quite a bit older than college age. So why play such "young" music? And of course, why so loud? I've asked this question at high school games and was informed that the music is for the kids....I guess that has a lot to do with it...although I agree it's much too loud
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Post by vuweathernerd on Dec 21, 2010 23:56:24 GMT -5
they seem more intent on deafening the crowd with craptastic music. The music has nothing to do with John's voice getting thru the microphone to the sound system and speakers. That's a whole separate line, and obviously whomever it is thinks the canned stuff needs to be loud, when most of it is the same stuff that has been around for too long. I can't say much about it for when rlh works with it because the crowd isn't as large for women's basketball, so he sounds fine thru the video. John, I can barely hear, so its either the sound system, or John...I'm not totally sure, but if I was working for the athletic department doing sound, I'd be working with John often on that. i was referring more to the pregame music issue, though i do think that the volume settings on the mixers used are different for john than for the music. though let's face it - the arc isn't exactly an acoustical masterpiece. running sound for the chapel was enough of an adventure. i feel for whoever's running the outdated equipment used in the arc during athletic events.
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Post by valporun on Dec 22, 2010 0:01:18 GMT -5
The music has nothing to do with John's voice getting thru the microphone to the sound system and speakers. That's a whole separate line, and obviously whomever it is thinks the canned stuff needs to be loud, when most of it is the same stuff that has been around for too long. I can't say much about it for when rlh works with it because the crowd isn't as large for women's basketball, so he sounds fine thru the video. John, I can barely hear, so its either the sound system, or John...I'm not totally sure, but if I was working for the athletic department doing sound, I'd be working with John often on that. i was referring more to the pregame music issue, though i do think that the volume settings on the mixers used are different for john than for the music. though let's face it - the arc isn't exactly an acoustical masterpiece. running sound for the chapel was enough of an adventure. i feel for whoever's running the outdated equipment used in the arc during athletic events. I know what you mean about running sound in the chapel, nerd, I did that my 5th year at Valpo. The sound in the ARC needs to be controlled by someone with a good ear, not a DJ.
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Post by vuweathernerd on Dec 22, 2010 0:10:08 GMT -5
i was referring more to the pregame music issue, though i do think that the volume settings on the mixers used are different for john than for the music. though let's face it - the arc isn't exactly an acoustical masterpiece. running sound for the chapel was enough of an adventure. i feel for whoever's running the outdated equipment used in the arc during athletic events. I know what you mean about running sound in the chapel, nerd, I did that my 5th year at Valpo. The sound in the ARC needs to be controlled by someone with a good ear, not a DJ. i know the person that would be ideal for it. he's actually currently the head sound tech at the chapel and runs the sound for the majority of the union board productions. maybe i should have him talk to the athletics department about trying him out and possibly hiring him on full time after he graduates in may... hell, i'd even offer to do it if i was looking for a job.
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Post by valpospartan on Dec 22, 2010 23:39:05 GMT -5
Who ever selects the craptastic music surely isn't picking it for the majority of the audience. My observation is that, with the exception of marquee games, the makeup of the fans in attendance is adults quite a bit older than college age. So why play such "young" music? And of course, why so loud? I've asked this question at high school games and was informed that the music is for the kids....I guess that has a lot to do with it...although I agree it's much too loud I know the music is aimed for the "kids", but since they are mostly in the minority at BB games, how about digging out some Neil Diamond, BS&T or Chicago?
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Post by govalpogo on Dec 23, 2010 0:08:13 GMT -5
Haha...Elliott made the board! He mentions the sound system every time I take him to a game. Chris, I'll be sure to tell him he is well respected...although he knows that already.
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Post by dcvalpo on Dec 23, 2010 10:59:31 GMT -5
Who ever selects the craptastic music surely isn't picking it for the majority of the audience. My observation is that, with the exception of marquee games, the makeup of the fans in attendance is adults quite a bit older than college age. So why play such "young" music? And of course, why so loud? That would really help with recruiting...can't wait for a top prospect to visit campus and love the Bobby Darin experience at the ARC. TALK ABOUT A SELLING POINT!
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Post by 78crusader on Dec 23, 2010 11:37:24 GMT -5
You guys are sure right about the music that is routinely played at all college venues nowadays. In October I went to an IU football game and COULD NOT BELIEVE how loud, and lousy, the music was. I could hardly carry on a conversation with my brother, who was sitting right next to me. I'm not sure standing on the edge of an O'Hare runway would have produced louder decible levels. Not that it matters anymore -- since all college events anymore are designed to please our 18 to 21 year old athletes (who wouldn't know a good song if it hit them in the face) rather than the fans who attend these games, but in the 60s and 70s VU had a good student band that played things like "Sweet Georgia Brown" which really produced a fun, energetic atmosphere. I feel the ear-splitting "music", if you can call it that, which is played at today's events is really a staged thing that tries, almost always without success, to generate an exciting atmosphere. All it really does, of course, is to cause the fans to wish the warm up minutes would expire quickly so that the assault on our auditory senses would end. Paul
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Post by dcvalpo on Dec 23, 2010 12:31:37 GMT -5
Good idea, let's play songs written in 1925.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think all the music is great either. But Valpo needs to compete with other programs, not try to appease the chairbacks all the time. The atmosphere at the Purdue game was electric and the student section, music, etc were a big part of that. If we follow some suggestions in this thread, we will be playing home games at the Genesis Center with ragtime entertaining a few hundred people.
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Post by valpofan56 on Dec 28, 2010 23:15:10 GMT -5
Back to nice little arenas that Valpo could be proud to have, check out this one from DIII Calvin College in Grand Rapids, MI: Van NoordThe intriguing thing about an arena like this, for me is, that I would imagine something like it could fairly easily be created by simply remodeling the ARC by pushing the walls out a tad and getting rid of that awful indoor track.
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Post by dcvalpo on Dec 28, 2010 23:26:01 GMT -5
This may be a dumb question, but is "pushing the walls back a bit" actually fairly easy? I would think it would be a huge project, messing with the structure of the building
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Post by valpofan56 on Dec 28, 2010 23:30:26 GMT -5
This may be a dumb question, but is "pushing the walls back a bit" actually fairly easy? I would think it would be a huge project, messing with the structure of the building I believe somebody has mentioned before during these types of discussions that the ARC was actually designed with that possibility in mind (the North and East walls, I believe).
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