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Post by 78crusader on Jan 20, 2011 17:42:13 GMT -5
Seriously, redheadbed, if you're going to post something on this board, make it a good post. To say that Bill Melton was better than Ron Santo is silly. You cannot possibly follow baseball closely. The 1974 season you refer to was Santo's last...he was clearly on his way out. To judge Santo on the basis of his last year, or to compare him with Melton based on this one year, is ridiculous. Melton only played 10 years, was an All Star one time, never won a Gold Glove, and couldn't hit better than .242 his last four years. Santo played 15 years, was an All Star 9 times, a Gold Glover 5 times, and 4 times was in the top 10 in the league in MVP voting -- and this was the National League in the 1960s, with guys like Aaron, Clemente, Koufax, Mays and Williams. Santo's career average was .277, a mark which Melton only reached once. I mean, if you're going to post something about baseball, at least know what you're talking about. Thanks, Paul
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Post by rlh on Jan 20, 2011 20:29:39 GMT -5
i'm a huge Dodger fan, always have been....but to say Ron Cey (the former Dodger third sacker) was the equal of Ron Santo is totally without merit....and I love the Penguin Well at least you do not deny the supremecy of Melton, and how could you?! The Cubs still wanted to trade Santo, and since his preference was to stay in Chicago, they worked out a deal with the White Sox, acquiring catcher Steve Swisher, and three young pitchers: Jim Kremmel, Ken Frailing, and one of Santo's future co-broadcasters, Steve Stone. The White Sox already had a third baseman, Bill Melton, so Santo was relegated mostly to designated hitter duty, which he hated. He wanted to play in the field, but White Sox manager Chuck Tanner wouldn't bench Melton (who had had a couple of 30 home run seasons for them), so he unsuccessfully tried Santo at second base. Finishing 1974 with a .221 batting average and 5 home runs, Santo retired from baseball at the age of 34. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Santo#Trade_Request I didn't even realize Melton was in the conversation....sorry....no way, never, no how
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Post by bbtds on Jan 21, 2011 3:05:48 GMT -5
i'm a huge Dodger fan, always have been....but to say Ron Cey (the former Dodger third sacker) was the equal of Ron Santo is totally without merit....and I love the Penguin Well at least you do not deny the supremecy of Melton, and how could you?! The Cubs still wanted to trade Santo, and since his preference was to stay in Chicago, they worked out a deal with the White Sox, acquiring catcher Steve Swisher, and three young pitchers: Jim Kremmel, Ken Frailing, and one of Santo's future co-broadcasters, Steve Stone. The White Sox already had a third baseman, Bill Melton, so Santo was relegated mostly to designated hitter duty, which he hated. He wanted to play in the field, but White Sox manager Chuck Tanner wouldn't bench Melton (who had had a couple of 30 home run seasons for them), so he unsuccessfully tried Santo at second base. Finishing 1974 with a .221 batting average and 5 home runs, Santo retired from baseball at the age of 34. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Santo#Trade_Request And that year with the Sox was Santo's best chance at a World Series in his career.
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Post by stlvufan on Jan 21, 2011 9:11:23 GMT -5
Well at least you do not deny the supremecy of Melton, and how could you?! The Cubs still wanted to trade Santo, and since his preference was to stay in Chicago, they worked out a deal with the White Sox, acquiring catcher Steve Swisher, and three young pitchers: Jim Kremmel, Ken Frailing, and one of Santo's future co-broadcasters, Steve Stone. The White Sox already had a third baseman, Bill Melton, so Santo was relegated mostly to designated hitter duty, which he hated. He wanted to play in the field, but White Sox manager Chuck Tanner wouldn't bench Melton (who had had a couple of 30 home run seasons for them), so he unsuccessfully tried Santo at second base. Finishing 1974 with a .221 batting average and 5 home runs, Santo retired from baseball at the age of 34. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Santo#Trade_Request And that year with the Sox was Santo's best chance at a World Series in his career. He shoots, he scores! Seriously, I'm a hard-core White Sox fan and Bill Melton was not that great.
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Post by redheadbed on Jan 21, 2011 10:26:51 GMT -5
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Post by vuweathernerd on Jan 21, 2011 12:39:53 GMT -5
Well at least you do not deny the supremecy of Melton, and how could you?! The Cubs still wanted to trade Santo, and since his preference was to stay in Chicago, they worked out a deal with the White Sox, acquiring catcher Steve Swisher, and three young pitchers: Jim Kremmel, Ken Frailing, and one of Santo's future co-broadcasters, Steve Stone. The White Sox already had a third baseman, Bill Melton, so Santo was relegated mostly to designated hitter duty, which he hated. He wanted to play in the field, but White Sox manager Chuck Tanner wouldn't bench Melton (who had had a couple of 30 home run seasons for them), so he unsuccessfully tried Santo at second base. Finishing 1974 with a .221 batting average and 5 home runs, Santo retired from baseball at the age of 34. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Santo#Trade_Request And that year with the Sox was Santo's best chance at a World Series in his career.
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Post by redheadbed on Feb 6, 2011 13:05:33 GMT -5
My son and I were having an interesting discussion....who, in any sport, is not in that sports Hall of Fame....but should be....My favorites are Roger Maris in baseball, Richard Dent in football (unbelievable he's not in), Dale Murphy in baseball.....and I'm sure there are others if I take the time to think about it.....BTW, i am ambivalent on Ron Santo, although he was a great 3rd baseman....who are some of your favorites that have not been enshrined in their sports Hall....? Sackman Dent is now in! sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-halloffame
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Post by valporun on Feb 6, 2011 13:30:41 GMT -5
My son and I were having an interesting discussion....who, in any sport, is not in that sports Hall of Fame....but should be....My favorites are Roger Maris in baseball, Richard Dent in football (unbelievable he's not in), Dale Murphy in baseball.....and I'm sure there are others if I take the time to think about it.....BTW, i am ambivalent on Ron Santo, although he was a great 3rd baseman....who are some of your favorites that have not been enshrined in their sports Hall....? Sackman Dent is now in! sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-halloffame For those who haven't heard, the NFL Hall of Fame Class of 2011 includes: Richard Dent Marshall Faulk Chris Hansburger Les Richter Ed Sabol Deion Sanders Shannon Sharpe An impressive class. Sabol was included for his contributions to the game as the founder of NFL Films, makers of all the films that Sports Illustrated can give away for new subscribers at the start of football season.
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Post by redheadbed on Feb 7, 2011 14:01:01 GMT -5
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