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Post by drewsaders11 on Dec 24, 2010 12:59:58 GMT -5
I watched the majority of Butler's last two games, and have been impressed with their recent play, in taking down Utah and Florida St. in the first two rounds of the Diamond Head Classic. The Noles scored their 10th point with 4:31 left in the first half, a great feat for the Bulldog defense against an ACC squad with a potential NBA draftee in Singleton. I look forward to seeing Butler play ugly Horizon League ball again Christmas night and potentially down another big-6 school in Washington St.
Also, did anyone else watch and get annoyed by Doug Gottlieb's annoucing? When Howard got shoved to the ground, he claimed it was a flop, and that Howard needs to learn how to fall better. Also, anytime Singleton did anything halfway decent, it was as if Singleton was going to be the the NBA MVP the next five years. At times, I felt like I was watching an NBA tryout scrimmage instead of a HL team soundly beating an ACC team.
Boost that RPI a bit more, Bulldogs, and then come back down to Earth on the 1st.
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Post by valporun on Dec 24, 2010 13:14:14 GMT -5
I watched the majority of Butler's last two games, and have been impressed with their recent play, in taking down Utah and Florida St. in the first two rounds of the Diamond Head Classic. The Noles scored their 10th point with 4:31 left in the first half, a great feat for the Bulldog defense against an ACC squad with a potential NBA draftee in Singleton. I look forward to seeing Butler play ugly Horizon League ball again Christmas night and potentially down another big-6 school in Washington St. Also, did anyone else watch and get annoyed by Doug Gottlieb's annoucing? When Howard got shoved to the ground, he claimed it was a flop, and that Howard needs to learn how to fall better. Also, anytime Singleton did anything halfway decent, it was as if Singleton was going to be the the NBA MVP the next five years. At times, I felt like I was watching an NBA tryout scrimmage instead of a HL team soundly beating an ACC team. Boost that RPI a bit more, Bulldogs, and then come back down to Earth on the 1st. Doug Gottlieb just says what the "mothership" tells him, when talking any of the Big 6 conferences. He's a clown to their system, and he does it so well. I don't mind him, when he's in studio, but I've very seldom heard him announce a game, but he's going to soon become like Jay Bilas, Dick Vitale, and what Steve Lavin was before he left for St. John's, a one conference kind of guy, and with his being an Oklahoma St. grad, he'll want the Big 12, or what it will be after all the defections.
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Post by stlvufan on Dec 24, 2010 15:30:41 GMT -5
I watched the majority of Butler's last two games, and have been impressed with their recent play, in taking down Utah and Florida St. in the first two rounds of the Diamond Head Classic. The Noles scored their 10th point with 4:31 left in the first half, a great feat for the Bulldog defense against an ACC squad with a potential NBA draftee in Singleton. I look forward to seeing Butler play ugly Horizon League ball again Christmas night and potentially down another big-6 school in Washington St. Also, did anyone else watch and get annoyed by Doug Gottlieb's annoucing? When Howard got shoved to the ground, he claimed it was a flop, and that Howard needs to learn how to fall better. Also, anytime Singleton did anything halfway decent, it was as if Singleton was going to be the the NBA MVP the next five years. At times, I felt like I was watching an NBA tryout scrimmage instead of a HL team soundly beating an ACC team. Boost that RPI a bit more, Bulldogs, and then come back down to Earth on the 1st. Huh... I thought he was pretty good myself. He's a little blunt, and more given to the wisecracking than I'm used to, but I liked the way he broke down various plays to show who missed their defensive assignment.
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Post by drewsaders11 on Dec 24, 2010 16:31:54 GMT -5
I agree with both of you. He does favor the big 6 and it showed at times, but some of the breakdowns were fairly worthwhile.
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Post by wh on Dec 24, 2010 17:01:19 GMT -5
I think I heard him use the ad nauseum expression "The Butler Way" somewhere in one of the broadcasts. Can't show much more love than that.
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Post by bbtds on Dec 25, 2010 1:23:01 GMT -5
Also, did anyone else watch and get annoyed by Doug Gottlieb's annoucing? When Howard got shoved to the ground, he claimed it was a flop, and that Howard needs to learn how to fall better. Speaking of Howard flopping, here's a great example of Howard doing a flop and this video shows who exactly taught him to flop. elfyourself.jibjab.com/view/wiRvEitzgFCY8h8C5aOe Merry Christmas and the blessings of the Risen Christ be with you all!
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Post by wh on Dec 26, 2010 10:43:51 GMT -5
I'm sure our coaching staff watched Butler's impressive win over Wash. St. I hope they took note of how Butler closed out the game. Similar to our game against Oakland, Butler had a double digit lead late. Unlike us, they never fully took the air out of the ball on offense or softened up on defense. On offense they continued to push the ball, pass aggressively in their motion offense, set hard picks, and look to score. On defense they continued to make the WSU's guards give up the ball and work for a shot, right up to their last possession. No walks in the park for uncontested layups like we allowed Oakland's guards to do. Overall, our coaching staff does a great job, but this is an area we need to tighten up. Hopefully, we'll handle this situation better on 1/1/11.
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Post by rlh on Dec 26, 2010 12:03:14 GMT -5
I'm sure our coaching staff watched Butler's impressive win over Wash. St. I hope they took note of how Butler closed out the game. Similar to our game against Oakland, Butler had a double digit lead late. Unlike us, they never fully took the air out of the ball on offense or softened up on defense. On offense they continued to push the ball, pass aggressively in their motion offense, set hard picks, and look to score. On defense they continued to make the WSU's guards give up the ball and work for a shot, right up to their last possession. No walks in the park for uncontested layups like we allowed Oakland's guards to do. Overall, our coaching staff does a great job, but this is an area we need to tighten up. Hopefully, we'll handle this situation better on 1/1/11. Were you watching the same Oakland game I saw...They hit 3 3's at the end to get it close, all of which were contested....not sure where the uncontested layup idea came from, but i didn't see it. 9 of their last 11 points came on 3's...not layups....I agree we have to learn to close out games (ie, shoot free throws) but the defense didn't give up layups at the end as you say
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Post by wh on Dec 26, 2010 15:25:35 GMT -5
I'm sure our coaching staff watched Butler's impressive win over Wash. St. I hope they took note of how Butler closed out the game. Similar to our game against Oakland, Butler had a double digit lead late. Unlike us, they never fully took the air out of the ball on offense or softened up on defense. On offense they continued to push the ball, pass aggressively in their motion offense, set hard picks, and look to score. On defense they continued to make the WSU's guards give up the ball and work for a shot, right up to their last possession. No walks in the park for uncontested layups like we allowed Oakland's guards to do. Overall, our coaching staff does a great job, but this is an area we need to tighten up. Hopefully, we'll handle this situation better on 1/1/11. Were you watching the same Oakland game I saw...They hit 3 3's at the end to get it close, all of which were contested....not sure where the uncontested layup idea came from, but i didn't see it. 9 of their last 11 points came on 3's...not layups....I agree we have to learn to close out games (ie, shoot free throws) but the defense didn't give up layups at the end as you say Let's look at the facts. BW hit 2 free throws at the 1:09 mark to put us up 99-87. Over the final 69 seconds, they outscored us 15-4. Their points came on 2 (not 1) uncontested layups, 3 threes (only 1 of which was closely guarded - the one by Broekhoff), and 2-2 FT's. Our 4 points came on 4-12 FT's. We were 2 points away from possibly the most unexplainable loss in VU basketball history. I'm amazed that anyone would see this as anything short of a self-induced, friggin' disaster that was mercifully stopped by the clock and only by the clock. I'm one of the biggest homers there is (no pun intended), and even I know better than that.
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Post by rlh on Dec 26, 2010 16:25:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry...check the play by play sheet (I did) and they had 3 3's and 2 free throws for their last 11 points.....of course, with your negative attitude toward the team, I guess that's too much to ask....my question, why can't you just enjoy the win and the game...? it's only college basketball and everyone (almost) except you seems to have enjoyed a classic game...that doesn't mean we didn't have problems, but it all worked out.....
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Post by stlvufan on Dec 26, 2010 17:31:36 GMT -5
Were you watching the same Oakland game I saw...They hit 3 3's at the end to get it close, all of which were contested....not sure where the uncontested layup idea came from, but i didn't see it. 9 of their last 11 points came on 3's...not layups....I agree we have to learn to close out games (ie, shoot free throws) but the defense didn't give up layups at the end as you say Let's look at the facts. BW hit 2 free throws at the 1:09 mark to put us up 99-87. Over the final 69 seconds, they outscored us 15-4. Their points came on 2 (not 1) uncontested layups, 3 threes (only 1 of which was closely guarded - the one by Broekhoff), and 2-2 FT's. Our 4 points came on 4-12 FT's. We were 2 points away from possibly the most unexplainable loss in VU basketball history. I'm amazed that anyone would see this as anything short of a self-induced, friggin' disaster that was mercifully stopped by the clock and only by the clock. I'm one of the biggest homers there is (no pun intended), and even I know better than that. I was there, wh. I don't recall any uncontested layups in the final minute. Lots of contested 3s for the most part.
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Post by wh on Dec 26, 2010 17:47:39 GMT -5
I'm sorry...check the play by play sheet (I did) and they had 3 3's and 2 free throws for their last 11 points.....of course, with your negative attitude toward the team, I guess that's too much to ask....my question, why can't you just enjoy the win and the game...? it's only college basketball and everyone (almost) except you seems to have enjoyed a classic game...that doesn't mean we didn't have problems, but it all worked out..... I make a statement that we gave up uncontested layups as part of a late game collapse, and you conveniently pick a point just after the layups occur in an attempt to discredit what I said. If you really want to change reality, go to 14 seconds left when they hit their final three to cut our lead from 4 to 1. Just a lucky 3 before the final buzzer. What collapse, right? Obviously, you think wearing blinders and withholding all criticism is the role of being a loyal fan. You make that well known every chance you get. Although I couldn’t disagree more, I’ve never once chosen to call you out on it. How about offering me the same courtesy?
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Post by wh on Dec 26, 2010 18:45:08 GMT -5
Let's look at the facts. Ryan Broekhoff hit 2 free throws at the 1:09 mark to put us up 99-87. Over the final 69 seconds, they outscored us 15-4. Their points came on 2 (not 1) uncontested layups, 3 threes (only 1 of which was closely guarded - the one by Broekhoff), and 2-2 FT's. Our 4 points came on 4-12 FTs. We were 2 points away from possibly the most unexplainable loss in VU basketball history. I'm amazed that anyone would see this as anything short of a self-induced, friggin' disaster that was mercifully stopped by the clock and only by the clock. I'm one of the biggest homers there is (no pun intended), and even I know better than that. I was there, wh. I don't recall any uncontested layups in the final minute. Lots of contested 3s for the most part. As I mentioned, we led by 12 with 1:09 left (99-87). Oakland scoring from that point to the end of the game: 1:03 Layup by Hamilton followed by an Oakland timeout. It took Oakland 6 seconds to go the full length of the court and score an uncontested layup. 0:53 Layup by Wright. This followed a missed free throw by Ryan at the 0:59 mark. Again, it took Oakland exactly 6 seconds to go the full length of the court and score a layup. 0:24 3-PTR by Bader. This came 1 second after a turnover by Buggs and ensuing Oakland TO at the 0:25 mark. 0:14 3-PTR by Wright. This came 4 seconds after a made FT by Buggs on the other end of the court at the 0:18 mark. 0:04 3-PTR by Wright. This came 4 seconds after a missed FT by Ryan at the opposite end of the court at the 0:08 mark. Now let me go all the way back to my original comment: I'm sure our coaching staff watched Butler's impressive win over Wash. St. I hope they took note of how Butler closed out the game. Similar to our game against Oakland, Butler had a double digit lead late. Unlike us, they never fully took the air out of the ball on offense or softened up on defense. On offense they continued to push the ball, pass aggressively in their motion offense, set hard picks, and look to score. On defense they continued to make the WSU guards give up the ball and work for a shot, right up to their last possession. No walks in the park for uncontested layups like we allowed Oakland's guards to do. It took Oakland a total of 21 seconds (4 seconds/possession) to score 5 baskets on 5 possessions. I'm not sure why we're even having this discussion...
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Post by drewsaders11 on Dec 26, 2010 18:53:03 GMT -5
I agree, wh. I think it is absurd that the game was as close as it was. Yes, we got the win, and it was an amazing game from some aspects, but we need to be able to close out games better, as evidenced by many of our previous games. I don't think that pointing out some of the deficient aspects of the team's play makes a fan a "bad fan". I doubt Homer Drew and the coaching staff decided to overlook many of those things, so while enjoying the victory, we can still look at some things that need to be improved on.
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Post by stlvufan on Dec 26, 2010 19:37:28 GMT -5
The stat sheet says they were layups. It doesn't say anything about them being *uncontested* layups. A 2 footer in the lane is generally logged as a layup, is it not? We hit several of those against UIC that were *not* uncontested.
I honestly don't remember the 2 you pointed out, so it's possible that they were uncontested, but not every layup is uncontested.
I do remember three straight contested 3s being drained by OU. I would suggest that those had a lot more to do with them closing the gap than layups.
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