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Post by wh on Jan 12, 2011 21:23:21 GMT -5
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Post by lowposter on Jan 12, 2011 21:57:19 GMT -5
A player has 4 seasons of NCAA eligibility, unless you successfully petition for a redshirt. He has played 2 years at VaTech. He has 2 seasons remaining. If Homer can successfully petition NCAA for eligibility in fall '11, he will have two complete seasons, otherwise his eligibility will begin in January '12. Thus he will have 11/12 and 12/13 seasons. But how much of the 11/12 season he can play is in the hands of NCAA. My guess is that he will be eligible in January and have 1/2 of that season plus his fourth. We have done quite well lately with transfers. Leads to another point or two.... 1. Did we recruit him out of high school? 2. If not, how did he get on the radar? 3. Are we better off with a limited number of scholarships in securing juniors coming in rather than freshmen? If so, our recruiting closing ability is not so good at the freshman level. Note...this is not necessarily an indictment of the recruiting. Kids make decisions often to reach as high as they can and then reality arrives when playing time dictates their true level of talent. lowposter
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Post by vu72 on Jan 12, 2011 22:13:19 GMT -5
A player has 4 seasons of NCAA eligibility, unless you successfully petition for a redshirt. He has played 2 years at VaTech. He has 2 seasons remaining. If Homer can successfully petition NCAA for eligibility in fall '11, he will have two complete seasons, otherwise his eligibility will begin in January '12. Thus he will have 11/12 and 12/13 seasons. But how much of the 11/12 season he can play is in the hands of NCAA. My guess is that he will be eligible in January and have 1/2 of that season plus his fourth. We have done quite well lately with transfers. Leads to another point or two.... 1. Did we recruit him out of high school? 2. If not, how did he get on the radar? 3. Are we better off with a limited number of scholarships in securing juniors coming in rather than freshmen? If so, our recruiting closing ability is not so good at the freshman level. Note...this is not necessarily an indictment of the recruiting. Kids make decisions often to reach as high as they can and then reality arrives when playing time dictates their true level of talent. lowposter Ben didn't play 2 years at Va Tech, he played 1 and 1/2. He should have 2 and 1/2 years remaining as I've stated before.
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Post by 78crusader on Jan 12, 2011 22:31:03 GMT -5
So...is our staff satisfied with playing another year without a true center? Seems like we're kinda guard- and small forward-heavy for next year. Paul
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Post by wh on Jan 12, 2011 22:55:01 GMT -5
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Post by lowposter on Jan 12, 2011 23:01:34 GMT -5
He didnt play two years, but he played two seasons. Been thru this personally. lowposter
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Post by valpo10 on Jan 13, 2011 1:07:25 GMT -5
They went over stuff like this on ESPN a while back. He will only play with a Valpo uniform on for a year and a half. He lost two full years of eligibility at VT (even though he only played half the season) and he will have to sit until 2nd semester next season to fulfill the NCAA 1 year rule. I don't understand mid-season transfers. If you transfer at the end of the school year you can use a red shirt during your 1 year sit and save a year of eligibility. So if this kid would have waited a semester and sat all next year will a red shirt, he could learn the system and play a full 2 years. This just isn't accurate. Players do not lose any eligibility by transferring and he will be eligible after sitting out 2 semesters. As he has enrolled for the second semester, he will be ineligible for the second semester this year and the first semester next year. Thus, he will be eligible for the second semester next year. As he played 1 and 1/2 years at VaTech, and is allowed four years of playing, he should have 2 1/2 years od eligibility remaining. I am sorry but your not accurate. He has played for VaTech during 2 seasons. He will have to sit 2 full semesters Spring 11/Fall 11 until he can play. Once his Fall 11 grades are complete he can play. He can only play for the rest of the season after Fall 11 and all of 2012. Example: Jeronne Maymon transferred from Marquette last year to Tennessee. He played for one semester at Marquette, but counts as 1 full year in NCAA speak. He had to sit until his Fall grades were complete and once they were he could play. Even though he will play half of this year, it still counts as a full year. He will play only 2 full years at Tenn. (transferred after 1 semester at Marq.).
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Post by hckjag on Jan 13, 2011 1:14:39 GMT -5
I figured it would be 1.5 years remaining as well. Based off some of the above posters. Just the same as you can't redshirt if you play in a game, he played in 4 during first semester. Thus this whole year would be his sophomore season. Whether at VT or Valpo.
The question is, could he still redshirt all of next year and keep 2 years of eligibility? No matter what he would be unable to play until the conclusion of fall semester next season.
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Post by valpo10 on Jan 13, 2011 2:55:00 GMT -5
I figured it would be 1.5 years remaining as well. Based off some of the above posters. Just the same as you can't redshirt if you play in a game, he played in 4 during first semester. Thus this whole year would be his sophomore season. Whether at VT or Valpo. The question is, could he still redshirt all of next year and keep 2 years of eligibility? No matter what he would be unable to play until the conclusion of fall semester next season. Yes, if he redshirts ALL of next season he will be able to play 2 full seasons.
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Post by agibson on Jan 13, 2011 3:52:57 GMT -5
Interesting that Homer goes so far as to call him "a clone of Jake Diebler" - pretty strong words. And then on eligibility, Paul Oren and the Times say, "It's unclear at the moment when Boggs will be eligible for the Crusaders. The sophomore played in four games at Virginia Tech this season before deciding to transfer. Valparaiso is expected to contact the NCAA to petition for Boggs to be eligible as soon as next fall. Boggs is enrolled as a full-time student at Valparaiso this semester."
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Post by vu72 on Jan 14, 2011 18:34:18 GMT -5
A player has 4 seasons of NCAA eligibility, unless you successfully petition for a redshirt. He has played 2 years at VaTech. He has 2 seasons remaining. If Homer can successfully petition NCAA for eligibility in fall '11, he will have two complete seasons, otherwise his eligibility will begin in January '12. Thus he will have 11/12 and 12/13 seasons. But how much of the 11/12 season he can play is in the hands of NCAA. My guess is that he will be eligible in January and have 1/2 of that season plus his fourth. We have done quite well lately with transfers. Leads to another point or two.... 1. Did we recruit him out of high school? 2. If not, how did he get on the radar? 3. Are we better off with a limited number of scholarships in securing juniors coming in rather than freshmen? If so, our recruiting closing ability is not so good at the freshman level. Note...this is not necessarily an indictment of the recruiting. Kids make decisions often to reach as high as they can and then reality arrives when playing time dictates their true level of talent. lowposter With apologizes for disagreeing with lowposter and others, I have now received confirmation from a very "highly placed" person that in fact Boggs may only have 1 and 1/2 years of eligibility remaining. Valpo will appeal to allow Ben to play after perhaps the first four games of next season because that is all he played at VaTech. If that fails he would be eligible starting the second semester and have one full year thereafter.
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Post by bbtds on Jan 15, 2011 2:28:36 GMT -5
A player has 4 seasons of NCAA eligibility, unless you successfully petition for a redshirt. He has played 2 years at VaTech. He has 2 seasons remaining. If Homer can successfully petition NCAA for eligibility in fall '11, he will have two complete seasons, otherwise his eligibility will begin in January '12. Thus he will have 11/12 and 12/13 seasons. But how much of the 11/12 season he can play is in the hands of NCAA. My guess is that he will be eligible in January and have 1/2 of that season plus his fourth. We have done quite well lately with transfers. Leads to another point or two.... 1. Did we recruit him out of high school? 2. If not, how did he get on the radar? 3. Are we better off with a limited number of scholarships in securing juniors coming in rather than freshmen? If so, our recruiting closing ability is not so good at the freshman level. Note...this is not necessarily an indictment of the recruiting. Kids make decisions often to reach as high as they can and then reality arrives when playing time dictates their true level of talent. lowposter With apologizes for disagreeing with lowposter and others, I have now received confirmation from a very "highly placed" person that in fact Boggs may only have 1 and 1/2 years of eligibility remaining. Valpo will appeal to allow Ben to play after perhaps the first four games of next season because that is all he played at VaTech. If that fails he would be eligible starting the second semester and have one full year thereafter. Let me know which NCAA "judge" makes the call on Boggs. I can have "friends" visit his/her residence. If you know what I mean. Maybe his/her son/daughter or other relative might miss 4 games of his/her grade school/high school/college career if you know what I mean. :-)
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Post by lowposter on Jan 15, 2011 8:57:29 GMT -5
No need to apologize. This was a civil disagreement about something which appeared to you to be "logical". How often is the NCAA "logical"? Let's all hope this young man is in fact a "clone of Mr. Diebler" with perhaps a little more offensive ability. Absolutely nothing against Jake Diebler...he maximized his potential and is an outstanding young man. One of my all time favorite VU plays featured Jake, cant recall who it was against, but he dove headfirst for a loose ball on a fast break and while airborne going out of bounds, flipped the ball back to someone for a layup. That play was the exclamation point of his career. Interesting to offer a scholarship to a player with limited eligibility. This young man is either very special, or the recruiting prospects are limited for the spring/summer signings. One more thing, often these mid season transfer/eligiblities are very difficult. The team chemistry has already been established and adding one more player to the mix means diminished time for PT. No doubt Homer is looking for a full year out this situation. Good luck with the NCAA. Does anyone know of NCAA allowing this? lowposter
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Post by wh on Jan 15, 2011 10:07:14 GMT -5
No need to apologize. This was a civil disagreement about something which appeared to you to be "logical". How often is the NCAA "logical"? Let's all hope this young man is in fact a "clone of Mr. Diebler" with perhaps a little more offensive ability. Absolutely nothing against Jake Diebler...he maximized his potential and is an outstanding young man. One of my all time favorite VU plays featured Jake, cant recall who it was against, but he dove headfirst for a loose ball on a fast break and while airborne going out of bounds, flipped the ball back to someone for a layup. That play was the exclamation point of his career. Interesting to offer a scholarship to a player with limited eligibility. This young man is either very special, or the recruiting prospects are limited for the spring/summer signings. One more thing, often these mid season transfer/eligiblities are very difficult. The team chemistry has already been established and adding one more player to the mix means diminished time for PT. No doubt Homer is looking for a full year out this situation. Good luck with the NCAA. Does anyone know of NCAA allowing this? lowposter You guys sound very confident that you're right and you may be, but this makes no sense to me. Ben was in his 2nd year at VT. If he would have stayed there the entire season and transferred after the 2nd semester, he would sit out next year and still have 2 years of eligibility left (exactly like Cory). Now you're trying to say because he left a semester earlier, he has a semester less eligibility? So, play 2 years and have 2 years left, play 1 1/2 years and have 1 1/2 years left? Who would ever make such a move, knowing they were cheating themselves out of a year of college basketball? His goal is to play more, not less.
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Post by valpofan56 on Jan 15, 2011 10:29:23 GMT -5
No need to apologize. This was a civil disagreement about something which appeared to you to be "logical". How often is the NCAA "logical"? Let's all hope this young man is in fact a "clone of Mr. Diebler" with perhaps a little more offensive ability. Absolutely nothing against Jake Diebler...he maximized his potential and is an outstanding young man. One of my all time favorite VU plays featured Jake, cant recall who it was against, but he dove headfirst for a loose ball on a fast break and while airborne going out of bounds, flipped the ball back to someone for a layup. That play was the exclamation point of his career. Interesting to offer a scholarship to a player with limited eligibility. This young man is either very special, or the recruiting prospects are limited for the spring/summer signings. One more thing, often these mid season transfer/eligiblities are very difficult. The team chemistry has already been established and adding one more player to the mix means diminished time for PT. No doubt Homer is looking for a full year out this situation. Good luck with the NCAA. Does anyone know of NCAA allowing this? lowposter You guys sound very confident that you're right and you may be, but this makes no sense to me. Ben was in his 2nd year at VT. If he would have stayed there the entire season and transferred after the 2nd semester, he would sit out next year and still have 2 years of eligibility left (exactly like Cory). Now you're trying to say because he left a semester earlier, he has a semester less eligibility? So, play 2 years and have 2 years left, play 1 1/2 years and have 1 1/2 years left? Who would ever make such a move, knowing they were cheating themselves out of a year of college basketball? His goal is to play more, not less. I know what you mean, wh. I thought the exact same thing until I read the article below from 2005 in the Sporting News. Mid-year Transfers Make No SenseI know predicting what decision the NCAA will make is a total crapshoot, but I don't see how, if the above is their rule, they will ever allow him to play next year right away or after 4 games. Does anybody know of anyone who was in a similar situation that was granted that opportunity?
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