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Post by dcvalpo on Mar 6, 2011 11:05:45 GMT -5
I love anecdotal stuff like "Well, I heard some Butler coaches talking and..." as a stone-cold defense for proving the officiating was stellar.
Oh, and also, "You guys get more fans because your city is 20x smaller than ours!" Another gem.
uwmpantherholic= worst username (holic added to the end of something is ridiculous...the "hol" is part of "alcohol" in case you didn't catch that) and also quite possibly the worst poster in recent memory
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Post by blackpantheruwm on Mar 6, 2011 11:17:53 GMT -5
The dorms comment was obviously an exaggeration. I hope you realize a small portion of the school actually lives on campus, let alone, are from a state other than Wisconsin. As far as the attendance goes, if the school gave an ounce about college basketball, they would be able to fill up a semi-final game on a Saturday night given the sheer size of the school. Other than arguing that UWM alumni/students dislike their team because they are Marquette or Wisconsin fans, you seem to agree that UWM has a weakly supported basketball team. 1. The official student resident number is around 5,000, but the actual number that live in the neighborhood is about 15,000. 2. Attacking the fan following of the opposing team is the clear mark of a bitter fan. All of our success has come in the last decade, but with five years since our last tournament appearance, it's been a slow build back to what we want to be. The athletic department has been running around like a chicken with its head cut off since 2009 until last month, when we had no AD. Our new one brings direction and passion - you have no idea how different it is. So don't slam us for the fan base. We're working on it. |
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Post by wh on Mar 6, 2011 11:31:05 GMT -5
The dorms comment was obviously an exaggeration. I hope you realize a small portion of the school actually lives on campus, let alone, are from a state other than Wisconsin. As far as the attendance goes, if the school gave an ounce about college basketball, they would be able to fill up a semi-final game on a Saturday night given the sheer size of the school. Other than arguing that UWM alumni/students dislike their team because they are Marquette or Wisconsin fans, you seem to agree that UWM has a weakly supported basketball team. 1. The official student resident number is around 5,000, but the actual number that live in the neighborhood is about 15,000. 2. Attacking the fan following of the opposing team is the clear mark of a bitter fan. All of our success has come in the last decade, but with five years since our last tournament appearance, it's been a slow build back to what we want to be. The athletic department has been running around like a chicken with its head cut off since 2009 until last month, when we had no AD. Our new one brings direction and passion - you have no idea how different it is. So don't slam us for the fan base. We're working on it. Let's be honest, fellow Crusader fans. We've had whole threads dedicated to why our students have been MIA at big games. I saw a similar thread on the Butler board after their students were MIA at an important game, and who has more tradition than they do? WSU fans share the same frustrations. Getting the students engaged is a challenge all over the league. |
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Post by rlh on Mar 6, 2011 12:28:13 GMT -5
I was thinking that myself, but didn't know if I should post it. Until we start filling the student seats at EVERY game ourselves, we have no room to complain about other schools student sections.
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Post by a3uge on Mar 6, 2011 12:40:16 GMT -5
I'm not slamming student support out of bitterness. I posted something about it before the game, as well as earlier in the season. If Valpo would have won, I would have posted the same thing.
And to address Valpo's attendance: we've never had ANY problem getting a huge student section for "big games" that are hyped on campus. When Valpo gets put on TV, the student section gets jammed into the aisles. Unfortunately, the community and students don't view a school not ending in "utler" as a big game. When we're playing other schools, we still have a decent student section, but not nearly the amount of tenacity of a televised game. With that being said, I firmly believe we have tremendous support for a school of 2,800 undergrads. Unless the students are on break, I don't think the ARC has drawn much less than 75% capacity this season. Valpo is a small school in a small city. I don't think you can compare Valpo's attendance problem with a school of 25,000 undergrads.
And this is the semi-finals. Watching the games on streams for the past few years you see around 15 students in GB/CSU/UWM/UIC/WSU student section. I cannot even believe Valpo has ever had that low of student support, especially with a competitive team on the court. When we won 9 or so games 3 years ago, maybe, but with a competitive team? No.
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Post by mwu1 on Mar 6, 2011 13:28:22 GMT -5
I'm not attacking the city. I actually live in Milwaukee and think it's a cool city. I'm not attacking the pep band either. They were decent, but should have been twice the size. You do realize that in tournament play band size is restricted to 30 members right? |
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Post by stlvufan on Mar 6, 2011 14:38:34 GMT -5
I'll say this about the free throw disparity: Milwaukee is first in the Horizon League in fouls committed, with only 17.2 per game (309 total). We are also first in the league in fouls drawn, with 22.1 per game. According to Statsheet's data from yesterday (which still has us at 21.4), we are 21st in the nation in fouls against. I thought the officials were very good. On the whole this is probably the best crew in the league. The Drew technical was legitimate (he was way outside the box), and I don't think if you review tape you can find that many legitimate complaints, though there are always a few. The reason you guys committed so many fouls against Hill was because you don't have bodies big enough to defend him. And you're not the first team to face this problem. You're missing the point. Of course the Tech on Homer was legitimate. In fact, he *wanted* the Tech. It was the foul call that Homer was complaining about that was being criticized here. |
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Post by stlvufan on Mar 6, 2011 14:48:10 GMT -5
I'll say this about the free throw disparity: Milwaukee is first in the Horizon League in fouls committed, with only 17.2 per game (309 total). We are also first in the league in fouls drawn, with 22.1 per game. According to Statsheet's data from yesterday (which still has us at 21.4), we are 21st in the nation in fouls against. I thought the officials were very good. On the whole this is probably the best crew in the league. The Drew technical was legitimate (he was way outside the box), and I don't think if you review tape you can find that many legitimate complaints, though there are always a few. The reason you guys committed so many fouls against Hill was because you don't have bodies big enough to defend him. And you're not the first team to face this problem. I'd say there were maybe 6-8 bad calls that went Milwaukee's way and about 2 that went our way. Hardly aggregious, but not quite equal, and that doesn't address the possibility that the uneven officiating impacted our strategy. Don't worry, good teams persevere through stuff like this, and there's no reason to think there was a conspiracy. Refs are simply human and sometimes have a bad night. No one's saying they robbed us (well, I'm not, for sure). To tell the truth, I don't care if we benefit or the other team does, I don't like to see the refs have a bad night, mainly because they don't pay the price for it. That said, unless they're chronically bad, there's no cause to pursue here. It's just a problem we weren't able to solve. |
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Post by drewsaders11 on Mar 6, 2011 15:42:10 GMT -5
Milwaukee fans...stop complaining about us on your boards.
If the game got off to a 6 or 7 foul discrepancy right away in your favor, you would be in the same boat. Yes, many of our fouls were remarkably stupid. But, to add to that, the majority of close calls went Milwaukees way. Bogus.
Someone on your board wrote Brandon Wood's mom is a b****. That's less classy than anything we have said.
And all we have said is facts that you have a MUCH LARGER STUDENT BASE than we do. If we had the tourney here, it would have been filled and rocking. No parts of our stadium would have been covered, even if the capacity was the same as yours.
And national media is writing your team off because you don't have that great of a team. Your RPI is borderline 100.
If Rogers sinks one of those two layups and we hold on, we have the one seed, you have the four seed, and we are the ones beating you with fresh legs in our home, not the other way around. And regarding the lack of fan base, our sweet 16 team was a good 5 years before yours, so our fan base (out of a school with much less to pull from) should have dwindled by now with your logic. And we have Purdue and Chicago area schools to steal fans away from, plus a smaller local population to draw from.
And having Butler win would be better for the Horizon League. Yes, Butler may get in anyways, and two teams would be better than one. But to ensure Butler makes it, their victory and presence in the tourney would mean so much more than Milwaukee's. Whats a better story for the national press: Milwaukee overachieves at season end, or Butler returns to Championship caliber? Duh.
So a lot of what is said on this board has been fairly factual. The officiating was bad...there shouldn't be a discrepancy that large in most cases.
I am pleased with our season, but to a point, not. We could have won one of those three games at seasons end, meaning we would have had the one seed, and fresh legs last night. So disappointing. No Horizon league banners yet rubs me the wrong way. We gave it our all though, it was fun, and thats all you can ask for.
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Post by browntown on Mar 6, 2011 18:43:03 GMT -5
I was at the game last night, and here's it in a nutshell:
1. We were a step slower on virtually everything (the format definitely protects the top seeds)
2. Too many of our guys had off nights shooting (BWood can't do everything, Johnson was a complete non-factor, unless you consider his foul trouble)
3. There was definite foul disparity, but hey, we didn't hit the big shots
4. Nobody mentioned this, but seriously, whoever runs the clock at UWM games needs to read the rulebook. I counted three times (THREE) we did not touch an inbounds pass, and the clock was RUNNING. The first time, they changed it. The second and third time, nobody seemed to notice anything. That's absolute crap. Not that it changed the game's outcome, but this is a post-season tournament, and it's simply unacceptable.
5. We will not get an NIT bid; too many things are against us, most notably the Toledo game. Congrats, Seniors.
6. We'll get 'em next year!
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Post by vu72 on Mar 6, 2011 19:06:39 GMT -5
I was at the game last night, and here's it in a nutshell: 1. We were a step slower on virtually everything (the format definitely protects the top seeds) 2. Too many of our guys had off nights shooting (BWood can't do everything, Johnson was a complete non-factor, unless you consider his foul trouble)3. There was definite foul disparity, but hey, we didn't hit the big shots 4. Nobody mentioned this, but seriously, whoever runs the clock at UWM games needs to read the rulebook. I counted three times (THREE) we did not touch an inbounds pass, and the clock was RUNNING. The first time, they changed it. The second and third time, nobody seemed to notice anything. That's absolute crap. Not that it changed the game's outcome, but this is a post-season tournament, and it's simply unacceptable. 5. We will not get an NIT bid; too many things are against us, most notably the Toledo game. Congrats, Seniors. 6. We'll get 'em next year! So, were you one of the people who drank too much or were you just not payng attention? Cory went 6 for 10 from the floor, including 2 of 5 from the 3 and had 7 boards. This in just 19 minutes, while being mugged and the victim of Hill's Academy Award performance. Sure, 14 points and 7 boards in 19 minutes seems like a "complete non-factor" to me...Jeez |
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Post by crusadermoe on Mar 6, 2011 19:27:25 GMT -5
Agree with VU72. Stop ragging on Johnson. As was said on another thread, he has played gutsy all year against bigs esp. centers and racked up fouls doing it.
If he played the "2" he would have scored even more points because he would not have expended so much energy and fouls playing defense.
Great player. He ranks high in my book even among VU's Top 25 even tho he only played 2 years.
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Post by stlvufan on Mar 6, 2011 19:59:52 GMT -5
I do think Cory has had bad games or at least bad halves. 1st half against Missouri State comes to mind.
However, he's had plenty of good halves and even a few good games down the stretch, so yeah, I'm in the Cory Johnson fan club too.
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Post by stlvufan on Mar 6, 2011 20:02:03 GMT -5
Were I was sitting, we happend to be sitting right behind Butler's assistant coaches who were scouting the game and about midway through the second half one of them chuckled and turned to my friend and I and said "Every time Hill goes to the paint they just foul him. EVERY TIME!" And they called the foul EVERY TIME. What's your point? |
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Post by damasa on Mar 6, 2011 22:05:44 GMT -5
I'm not attacking the city. I actually live in Milwaukee and think it's a cool city. I'm not attacking the pep band either. They were decent, but should have been twice the size. I'm attacking the support of the team. I was walking out of the game and a fan goes "Yeah I think Butler made the final four last year". They were centimeters away from champions in the FINALS. Ugh. I would be really disappointed if they represented the Horizon League over Butler. As much as I hate losing to Butler, they have a great dedicated fan-base. They bring recognition to the Horizon in a way UWM doesn't. I remember when UWM made the sweet-16 I wasn't even aware they had a D-1 program. I guess that's a lesson in second-tier commuter state schools. We see it with Cleveland St, Green Bay, Wright St, UIC, and YSU. I don't think Valpo gets an NIT invite either way, so I'll be cheering for Butler to represent the league. Wow, sour grapes there buddy, seriously sour grapes. I could care less as to what your "college basketball knowledge is" but you show no sportsmanship at all as judged by your comments. Knock the school, city, fan base, program, pep band or whatever else you want. At the end of the day UWM won and continues their season until at least Tuesday. What's there to be said about Valpo's season? I can't say that there's a huge number of people who were aware of Valpo's D1 program either because I don't recall many of their past successes. To all the other classy Valpo fans, thank you! You guys had a great season and will continue to have success in the HL and I expect to see you guys do well in the future. Great addition to the HL! |
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