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Post by sliman on Mar 7, 2011 11:24:27 GMT -5
O.K. everyone, let's move on. This thread about a basketball game is becoming more and more a battle of verbage about attendance, beer, name calling, Cory's value to the team and other tangential topics. Let's congratulation UMW, look forward to their game against Butler (regardless of who you want to win), celebrate the fact that our team had its best season in several years and agree that we'd not have been nearly as good without Cory, (good post, FW alum) who is an outstanding young man and will reflect well on the university whether he ever plays another basketball game or not. Like many of you, I'm disappointed that we came close to earning the No. 1 seed and having a good shot at an NCAA spot, but in final analysis we finished in the standings where most people expect us to, but probably with a better record than anticipated by many because of our ability to split games with the top teams. Enough bickering and name calling. Congratulations to UMW on a fantastic second half. Let's end this thread and get back to discussions of basketball.
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Post by browntown on Mar 7, 2011 11:28:26 GMT -5
So, were you one of the people who drank too much or were you just not payng attention? Cory went 6 for 10 from the floor, including 2 of 5 from the 3 and had 7 boards. This in just 19 minutes, while being mugged and the victim of Hill's Academy Award performance. Sure, 14 points and 7 boards in 19 minutes seems like a "complete non-factor" to me...Jeez Wow, a personal insult? Really? Yeah, you're right. Johnson had an UNBELIEVABLE game. He should go pro with a performance like that! Just based on that one game! Maybe you should drink; it might help you lighten up.
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Post by vu72 on Mar 7, 2011 11:32:50 GMT -5
So, were you one of the people who drank too much or were you just not payng attention? Cory went 6 for 10 from the floor, including 2 of 5 from the 3 and had 7 boards. This in just 19 minutes, while being mugged and the victim of Hill's Academy Award performance. Sure, 14 points and 7 boards in 19 minutes seems like a "complete non-factor" to me...Jeez Wow, a personal insult? Really? Yeah, you're right. Johnson had an UNBELIEVABLE game. He should go pro with a performance like that! Just based on that one game! Maybe you should drink; it might help you lighten up. Cory will go pro, a good observation on your part.
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Post by valpo04 on Mar 7, 2011 11:38:17 GMT -5
So, were you one of the people who drank too much or were you just not payng attention? Cory went 6 for 10 from the floor, including 2 of 5 from the 3 and had 7 boards. This in just 19 minutes, while being mugged and the victim of Hill's Academy Award performance. Sure, 14 points and 7 boards in 19 minutes seems like a "complete non-factor" to me...Jeez Wow, a personal insult? Really? Yeah, you're right. Johnson had an UNBELIEVABLE game. He should go pro with a performance like that! Just based on that one game! Maybe you should drink; it might help you lighten up.
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Post by gbvu on Mar 7, 2011 11:41:27 GMT -5
Matt Kenney is not very good at basketball. I have no idea why he gets the minutes that he does. He's not working out. I was sitting in the cell both Friday and Saturday night asking myself the same. He's terrible. Kenney needs to find his jump shot. He can help the team but he lost confidence in his shooting and then became a bigger slower version of Buggs. We know he can shoot from last year but he regressed so badly this year that the offense broke down during times when Johnson was struggling. Opponents only had to worry about Wood & Broekhoff outside. Remember, Kenny was like 35% on 3's as a freshman. Instead of pushing it towards 40% he ended up at 16% this year.
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Post by browntown on Mar 7, 2011 11:42:59 GMT -5
Wow, a personal insult? Really? Yeah, you're right. Johnson had an UNBELIEVABLE game. He should go pro with a performance like that! Just based on that one game! Maybe you should drink; it might help you lighten up. Cory will go pro, a good observation on your part. I'll be watching the draft; we'll see. Oh, unless you mean playing in the CBA or overseas. You know what I mean by going pro. Jarryd Loyd went "pro". Can't remember, did he ever choke in a big game for Valpo? Did he lead us to a league title? The real answer to this is that Cory was overmatched down low, size wise, and everybody was a step slower. I'm not ripping on Cory Johnson; he's not a true center, and there was no stopping Hill Saturday night.
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Post by valpo89 on Mar 7, 2011 11:42:54 GMT -5
Matt Kenney was playing hurt almost the whole year. He's an excellent athlete, has long arms, can jump out of the gym. When he's healthy, he's a solid player and will be a key guy for the next two years.
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Post by browntown on Mar 7, 2011 11:53:29 GMT -5
Wow, a personal insult? Really? Yeah, you're right. Johnson had an UNBELIEVABLE game. He should go pro with a performance like that! Just based on that one game! Maybe you should drink; it might help you lighten up. Wow. A Trek photo response. Priceless, but not devoid of complete nerdery. Hey, Kirk, I know you're upset about Johnson's performance as well. It's ok, Captain. Here, have a beer.
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Post by stlvufan on Mar 7, 2011 12:38:50 GMT -5
Wow. A Trek photo response. Priceless, but not devoid of complete nerdery. Hey, Kirk, I know you're upset about Johnson's performance as well. It's ok, Captain. Here, have a beer. That's Picard, not Kirk.
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Post by stlvufan on Mar 7, 2011 12:48:11 GMT -5
Being a Valpo student, I assume that you were nowhere near Brandon Wood's mother, and thus have no basis to argue in her defense. Because she's a player's mother, she is exempt from acting her age? I was not there, but the people that were around the action, who I talked to minutes afterwards (including a Valpo fan friend of mine), made mention of her losing it. I for one can believe it as well. This is not the first time we've heard negative comments about a Valpo fan, and it is entirely possible it was the same person. Agree, of course. I think the problem I sensed in the previous post was about someone on your board who called her a name. I haven't ventured over there, but depending on how it was expressed, I might have reacted the same way. If, as you and I both agree, we could cut her some slack because her son just lost a big game, why couldn't that person on you forum do the same (assuming he didn't)? Maybe I'll head over there sometime and check it out for myself. I think it's safe to see all the message boards have at least a couple of embarrassing semi-regulars Not sure I parsed your question correctly, but the rest of the paragraph I agree with. I know when Kaylon Williams ran Cory Johnson over at the end of the first half, I screamed bloody murder and there's a chance it wasn't a foul (though I still need to be convinced). In both cases, it's the kind of play that just touches our nerve involuntarily because it looks so violent. I can totally understand people reacting the way they did when Rogers "Singlered" Tone Boyle. Amen! Thanks.
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Post by a3uge on Mar 7, 2011 13:22:04 GMT -5
I'll be watching the draft; we'll see. Oh, unless you mean playing in the CBA or overseas. You know what I mean by going pro. Jarryd Loyd went "pro". Can't remember, did he ever choke in a big game for Valpo? Did he lead us to a league title? Oh god, please don't bring that up.
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Post by rlh on Mar 7, 2011 18:07:55 GMT -5
OK guys, I just got done watching the DVR of the Milwaukee game. I tried to tabulate as well as I could the "questionable" calls, or non-calls on each team and my score is 5 against us and 3 against them. That's not the disparity I was expecting by some of these posts. My son coaches in high school, and is the sports editor of a newspaper near here, and he told me the refing was not that bad and I would have to agree. Yes, they missed some, but they always do....all in all that did not cost us the game...and remember, many of our fouls, 7 I counted, occurred late in the game when we were trying to come back so that always make it look worse...also, it's sometimes when you foul that means the most. It seemed we kept sending them to the line, while their fouls did not happen to us on shots, etc. My take was we were a step slow all night....probably do to the amount of games we had to play, but a super effort for the guys...and congratulations to Milwaukee.
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Post by milwvu04 on Mar 7, 2011 18:43:34 GMT -5
Wow. A Trek photo response. Priceless, but not devoid of complete nerdery. Hey, Kirk, I know you're upset about Johnson's performance as well. It's ok, Captain. Here, have a beer.
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Post by stlvufan on Mar 7, 2011 18:56:32 GMT -5
OK guys, I just got done watching the DVR of the Milwaukee game. I tried to tabulate as well as I could the "questionable" calls, or non-calls on each team and my score is 5 against us and 3 against them. That doesn't shock me. It's entirely plausible that many of us magnified the bad calls far beyond their quantity. It is of course possible that some bad calls are worse than others if only because they happen at more crucial junctures, but I honestly don't know if that explains it. If you're right, that might even suggest that if Valpo gave up on trying to drive the lane because there was no call (as has been suggested), they gave up way too soon on that strategy. I honestly don't know if that's the case either. I don't think anyone here said that the bad calls cost us the game, by the way. I know some of us were probably thinking it deep down inside, but I don't think anybody said it out loud
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Post by milwvu04 on Mar 7, 2011 19:38:43 GMT -5
I was hoping the students would have been caught up with the budget repair bill protesting and hold a walk-out during the game, so Valpo could regain some momentum. Oh well... didn't happen. Had Valpo won the Horizon League Tournament, there could have been a chance for VU, Butler, Notre Dame, Purdue , and Indiana State to all go to the NCAA Tournament. Following Tom Crean at Marquette, I feel bad for IU not making much of a turn around. I'm listening to Coach Jeter's radio program right now. He mentioned Valpo playing very physical by "locking arms and pulling you to the ground." He went on to say his team didn't want to get caught up in that physicality, but they were able to capitalize on the calls the refs made "if they saw the play." It sounded like a bit of a dig against the rough play. They discussed Homer's technical. I didn't catch it in the second game, but he said Homer also made it to half-court in then as well. Jeter questioned the ref who told him he's just coaching his team. I guess he got away with it there. ;D edit add'l: They discussed the amount of yellow used by both teams and all of the fans and joked about it being hard on the eyes. The UWM shoes were really bright.
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