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Titanic Eagle
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: ORU plays Memphis every tourney for the past 22 years!

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It's a tradition.

ORUBlue82
Golden Eagle
Location: Eagle, Idaho
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: Memphis

At least this time it's on a neutral court!!!



ValpoRick
Crafty Veteran
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Memphis

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ORUBlue82 wrote:
At least this time it's on a neutral court!!!


So a neutral court is only good for ORU when they play someone else that might have a chance to beat them?
But when it comes to the Mid-Con Tourney, well that's another thing now.



maniacs '06
Rookie
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: Rick.....

You really need to get over loosing.
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ValpoRick
Crafty Veteran
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Rick.....

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maniacs '06 wrote:
You really need to get over loosing.


The word is spelled losing. And if you have read anything at all that I have written, you know that I think your team beat us because they are a better team.



orumom
Golden Eagle
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject:


Bucknell did play on their "home" court for their tournament. So we will see how they do a true "neutral" court.
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ValpoRick
Crafty Veteran
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject:

orumom wrote:
Bucknell did play on their "home" court for their tournament. So we will see how they do a true "neutral" court.


Depending on how the conferences choose to have their tournaments, it is possible, as it once was for the Mid-Con for teams to play on their home court. I didn't mind that at all. The higher seeds get to host games at home. Happens all of the time. But when it is done the other way, as we now do it, it should be held as it most commonly is, at a neutral site so that there can be a sense of fair play and integrity in college sports. No one team should have home court advantage on a perpetual basis under this kind of arrangement. It's just not very ethical behavior to expect or create a special advantage over the other teams or in any way equitable or fair either. That any one team would expect to have that advantage and think there is nothing wrong with it, says a lot about their complete lack of character and their sense of fair play.




OKC Eagle
Location: Oklahoma City
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject:

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Let it go Rick.




ValpoRick
Crafty Veteran
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject:


OKC Eagle wrote:
Let it go Rick.


I think I have made my point. It should give you all something to think about as Christians but I am not hopeful that you will do other than to rationalize your behavior with regards to the tourney coup you pulled off (for the future) and my comments will fall on deaf ears. Say what you want. Sour grapes, let it go, run me out on a rail, call me a moron or sore loser. Fine. I can live with that. Despite the fact that I think you earned your trip THIS YEAR to the dance. I'll leave it alone and won't continue to post on this. Enjoy your deserved trip to the dance and the ride through the tournament if you progress beyond the first round. Bye.




ORUTex
Golden Eagle
Location: Austin
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject:

ValpoRick wrote:
Bye.

Bye.



OKC Eagle
Crafty Veteran
Location: Oklahoma City
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject:

ValpoRick wrote:
Bye.


I hope he's a man of his word.




Texasgrip
Golden Eagle
Location: The Woodlands, TX
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: Memphis

ValpoRick wrote:
ORUBlue82 wrote:
At least this time it's on a neutral court!!!


So a neutral court is only good for ORU when they play someone else that might have a chance to beat them?
But when it comes to the Mid-Con Tourney, well that's another thing now.


Dr. Cornelius...where are you?!?!
HELP!!!!!!


maniac prez
Golden Eagle
Location: tulsa
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:24 am Post subject:

Rick, it isn't even "ORU" who is locking up this bid. It is the Tulsa Sports Commission... but of course, since it is in Tulsa, then yes, ORU fans are going to come out and support the team and event, and yes, ORU fans are going to volunteer and help out with the event, YOU WOULD DO THE SAME!!! So if you are so upset about it, get a group together to come up with a proposal for an arena that is "neutral" in your eyes. This is the way I see it, don't complain about something and then just sit there, if you are going to complain, then be willing to step up and make something happen. I'm not saying you have to put the whole tournament together yourself, but if this is wrong to you, then start talking to the right people (Valpo Exec's of some sort...) and get the ball rolling for someone to make a bid for the tourney (since no one bid for the next 2 years besides Tulsa...). So put up or shut up, PLEASE!!!!!!
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ValpoRick
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:14 am Post subject:

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maniac prez wrote:
Rick, it isn't even "ORU" who is locking up this bid. It is the Tulsa Sports Commission... but of course, since it is in Tulsa, then yes, ORU fans are going to come out and support the team and event, and yes,


I am responding only because you called me out by name here.

And you don't see any conflict of interest because Richard Roberts is a member of the Tulsa Sports Commission? You make it sound like, golly gee Jethro, we didn't know anything about this and had nutin' to do with it. Puhleeese!

If having an unfair advantage is the way you choose to beat other teams in the future, every reasonable person watching from outside Tulsa will always question whether or not you were really good enough to win. Not this year. It's no big deal. You deserved it. But in the future, ORU will be known for the team that had to take advantage through political means to assure home court advantgage throughout every single tournament game even when the format is set up for a neutral site. If that's the only way you can win, more power to you despite how absolutely pathetic that is in reality.

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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:34 am Post subject:
ManiacAlum wrote:
This is really sad that this is still being discussed a week after we beat Valpo by 20. We have no reason to have to explain ourselves to anyone. Your team knew the game was going to be played in Tulsa all year. If you're upset that you can't beat us here, then bring a stronger team here next year. If you're upset that the Mid-Con added us non-midwest teams, don't worry...we'll win the league for a few more years, go to a better conference and you can have your conference and your 300+ RPI teams back.

We have won the regular season two years in a row. So your argument really holds no weight. Its not like we made a run from a 5th or 6th seed. I think it should have been played at the Mabee Center because we earned that right. I watched conference tourneys this week played on home courts where there was a significant advantage. If you want it moved, then write your Valparaiso Sports Commission or whatever its called.

Your pathetic sniffling a week later isn't going to take away from what we have accomplished.

We play Memphis on Friday, you don't. Stop whining. Congrats on a mediocre season and have a great off-season

ValpoRick
Speaking out against injustice is not whining. But it is amazing that you can't remove the scales from your own eyes and see how completely foolish ORU will look in the future with securing homecourt advantage with the help of its college president who is also a member of the Tulsa Sports Commission.

If the Mid-Con was holding the tournament in the format in which it formerly used where the higher seeded teams get homecourt advantage, I would have absolutely no problem with your argument. However, that is not how the Mid-Con works any longer and it is an arrogant rationalization to make the argument that ORU deserves homecourt advantage perpetually just so long as it can outbid any other venue. Do you have no sense at all of fair play? Don't you see how others view you? Don't you care? Is this the way you want to be known for winning? I'm sure with the president's influence over the Tulsa Sports Committee and the likely financial influence he can bring to bear upon the bidding process that it's a no-brainer that you guys will get the site selection for the tournament until you-know-what freezes over. That's wrong and somebody needs to speak up about things when they are wrong. That's what I am doing.

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They locked the thread which I knew would happen. Too much truth hurts.

I started this which they will probably remove or lock up:
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: Getting Old?

ORUTerry:

You have the right to lockdown any discussion you think is appropriate. I respect that right. But you must know that as long as I am alive, I will not stop bringing this injustice up until it is rectified and justice prevails. I will be shouting from the rooftops, calling Mid-Con officials, news organizations, college presidents, and whomever else I need to talk to until something is done that is fair for all of the members of the Mid-Con.

And that you and others think it is above board and justified to do what you will be doing in assuring an unfair homecourt advantage is truly amazing. I hope you and your apologists are haunted every day in your mind, spirit, and souls with the knowledge that you are doing something wrong and despicable in the eyes of others and in the eyes of God, who does not like injustice or unfairness, even when it comes from those who claim to be a member of his family. You should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to dress this pig up to make it look like some other beautiful creature.!!!!

Cheers.
Rick

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GoldenEagleAg
Rookie


Joined: 02 Dec 2005
Posts: 24
Location: College Station, TX
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:40 am Post subject:

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Fort Wayne basically gave you guys a home-court advantage. What message board were you whining on then?
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ORU Eli
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Joined: 02 Nov 2005
Posts: 237
Location: Chicago, IL
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:41 am Post subject:

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If I wasn't an ORU fan, on a pure "is this completely fair" basis, I wouldn't be a big fan of the tourney being held in Tulsa either. However...the league stretches from Michigan to Louisiana and Utah to Indiana...unless we start doing it in Puerto Rico or Hawaii, it'll never be fair for everybody. Fact of the matter is, TSC has done the best job and I don't think anybody can dispute that.

So no...it's not fair. But it's over. We're the best team this year, as we were last year, but we've only gone to the tourney 1 out of 2 times. No sense in whining about it. Send an email to the commish.
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ValpoRick
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Joined: 02 Nov 2005
Posts: 79

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:51 am Post subject:

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GoldenEagleAg wrote:
Fort Wayne basically gave you guys a home-court advantage. What message board were you whining on then?


Ft. Wayne was over 100 miles to attend. How far did you folks in Tulsa have to drive or walk to get to the facility?

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ORUTex
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Joined: 19 Nov 2005
Posts: 115
Location: Austin
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:55 am Post subject:

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I've stayed away from the discussion in the hopes that Rick would get tired of hearing himself whine and move on to some other topics, where he often does have useful input. However, since that is not going to happen, here goes:

Apparently the only way the tournament will be fair to Rick is if everyone has an equal number of fans there. Since that will never happen, the only way it is going to be fair is to not allow any fans into the game. I know this is a bold approach, but it has precedent - it was done once for a minor league baseball game, to set an unbreakable low attendance record of zero.

The advantage to this approach is that we can literally hold it at any gym, anywhere, since we won't be letting anyone in. Also, the novelty would get us some good publicity, at least the first year. After that, it might be a little hard to keep going.

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OKC Eagle
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Joined: 02 Nov 2005
Posts: 68
Location: Oklahoma City
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:56 am Post subject:

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I knew Rick did not have enough class to mean "bye" when he said "bye."

Hey Eagle fans, don't feed the trolls and they go elsewhere looking for food.

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ValpoRick
Golden Eagle


Joined: 02 Nov 2005
Posts: 79

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:56 am Post subject:

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ORU Eli wrote:
So no...it's not fair. But it's over. We're the best team this year, as we were last year, but we've only gone to the tourney 1 out of 2 times. No sense in whining about it. Send an email to the commish.


At least someone has acknowledged the truth of the unfairness. Life isn't always fair. But we expect more from each other when we call ourselves Christians. If we purposely go out of our way to gain an unfair advantage, what does that say about us?

I'm not whining. I'm speaking out against an injustice. Whether anyone cares to make it just and fair is not up to me.

You are correct. You were the best team this year and if we were playing under the old arrangement in the Mid-Con tourney, you deserved to have the homecourt advantage last year and this year. But that's not the way we do it now. We are supposed to have the games at a neutral site. But you've already admitted that Tulsa is not neutral because you admit it is not fair.

Thank you for at least admitting what others have been blindly denying.

[hite]

First, I think the games should be played on a neutral court. Or rotated on a yearly basis based on the rankings of the teams with the top 2 teams out of 10 on a first round bye. The first 4 games would be played on the home court of the two teams who have the highest GPA. In case of a tie, the next stat would be fewest fouls commited, then the head to head all time records of both schools baseball teams, then shooting percentage then win-loss records against the worst team in the conference working your way up the rankings until the tie was broken.

Anyhow,

Its not like they cheated to get the tournament there. Valpo should have tried harder to get it somewhere else. I haven't heard anywhere that the bidding process was fixed or anything, so Valpo or anyone else had a chance to get homecourt advantage but didn't. While I don't think it is a good thing, there was a process to get the tourney there and as far as I know it was followed correctly and bingo.

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hite said:

First, I think the games should be played on a neutral court. Or rotated on a yearly basis based on the rankings of the teams with the top 2 teams out of 10 on a first round bye. The first 4 games would be played on the home court of the two teams who have the highest GPA. In case of a tie, the next stat would be fewest fouls commited, then the head to head all time records of both schools baseball teams, then shooting percentage then win-loss records against the worst team in the conference working your way up the rankings until the tie was broken.

I like it.