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Post by rick on Mar 22, 2006 14:56:45 GMT -5
The fan here did not like a Lutheran quoting Scripture to ORU fans. He assumed I was Lutheran (not any more) but from his comments, he didn't seem to think Lutherans were Christians so I asked him if he thought Lutherans were not Christians. He made this the final reply of the thread before locking it up. (I cause so much trouble over there) ;D
Dr. Cornelius
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Rick, I personally find the Lutheran church's centuries long teaching of antisemtism and current defunding of the state of Israel far from Christlike. Support of fascism by economic proxy is something every free thinking person should abhore.
ORU has its many many faults but even mighty Valpo is not free of blemish.
I find this comment especially amusing because just a post or two before this one he said to the honorable yours truly:
Rick, I reinstated you on the board and asked you to behave. Disagreement about tournament locations is fine but attacking religious beliefs should be off limits for any poster.
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Post by stlvufan on Mar 23, 2006 1:50:53 GMT -5
Martin Luther made a few unfortunate statements in his crotchedy old age, and because of this some people think Lutherans teach anti-semitism. The world is such a simple place when we dumb it down, isn't it?  I think it was a classless move on Dr. C's part to take such an irresponsible parting shot and then lock up the thread. Fortunately, EB - of all people - reopened the topic in a new thread, and I took my opportunity to respond there. There's a saying in cyberspace - "The internet interprets censorship as noise and routes around it". |
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Post by rick on Mar 23, 2006 6:32:11 GMT -5
Martin Luther made a few unfortunate statements in his crotchedy old age, and because of this some people think Lutherans teach anti-semitism. The world is such a simple place when we dumb it down, isn't it? I think it was a classless move on Dr. C's part to take such an irresponsible parting shot and then lock up the thread. Fortunately, EB - of all people - reopened the topic in a new thread, and I took my opportunity to respond there. There's a saying in cyberspace - "The internet interprets censorship as noise and routes around it". Agreed that Dr. C is very, very ignorant about the Lutheran church. Not too many evangelicals know church history (especially the early church of the first century or two or three) or have read much about the Reformation and the issues that brought it about. And not too many know that what the early church fought so hard against which was heretical (and thus forming the creeds as a response), are the very things today they are now practicing and they don't even know it. No sense at all of what Pelagianism, just to name one heresy, is all about or why it is heretical and why this (or at least semi-pelagianism) is quite the norm for much of the evangelical church. Hey, who cares about the past? Let's rock and roll baby. I haven't read your comments over there but will check them out. |
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Post by rick on Mar 23, 2006 6:39:05 GMT -5
Martin Luther made a few unfortunate statements in his crotchedy old age, and because of this some people think Lutherans teach anti-semitism. The world is such a simple place when we dumb it down, isn't it? I think it was a classless move on Dr. C's part to take such an irresponsible parting shot and then lock up the thread. Fortunately, EB - of all people - reopened the topic in a new thread, and I took my opportunity to respond there. There's a saying in cyberspace - "The internet interprets censorship as noise and routes around it". Hey, just tried to post over there and was banned again from their forum. What's a body to do? Gotta go celebrate again with some good wine.  |
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Post by perryc on Apr 11, 2006 17:37:47 GMT -5
My wife used to teach at a Missouri Synod high school. They were indeed antisemitic...but mostly anit-Catholic. I don't know if they're representative of MS Lutherans. I know they're not representative of Lutherans in general. Unfortunately, the "Lutheran High School" has given Lutherans here a reputation as bigots (and no, I don't live in Kansas City).
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Post by stlvufan on Apr 15, 2006 1:25:43 GMT -5
My wife used to teach at a Missouri Synod high school. They were indeed antisemitic...but mostly anit-Catholic. I don't know if they're representative of MS Lutherans. I know they're not representative of Lutherans in general. Unfortunately, the "Lutheran High School" has given Lutherans here a reputation as bigots (and no, I don't live in Kansas City). Anti-Catholic makes more sense to me, though I'm not an expert. Long before he made a few unfortunate comments about the Jews (NOT, by the way, about their ethnicity or their inferiority as human beings, but rather because they persisted in rejecting Jesus, something Luther found very frustrating in his old age), he used the book of Revelations to "prove" that the Pope was the Anti-Christ. As of the 1970's, the Missouri Synod was still tolerating such attitudes toward Catholics, if not actually encouraging them and teaching them. Anti-Semitism was surely present in LCMS - as it undoubtedly is present everywhere - but it is quite a stretch to say that it was taught as doctrine. |
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Post by orusisko on Apr 15, 2006 18:34:25 GMT -5
As an ORU alumni, I can say that alot of charismatics disagree with the Lutheran Church, but thats why they are not Lutherans and there is nothing wrong with that. Two of the teachers that taught my major were Lutheran Ministers, and one was a catholic priest. ORU is very diverse in denominations, thats why it's called a multi-denominational University. I went to a Lutheran church for a while, obviously as a catholic it was a bit odd, but between that and all the pentacostal churches in Tulsa I had very little choice until I finally located a local parish halfway through my freshman year. In fact, ORU in large part is Lutheran and Methodist, you can read up on that in ORU history.
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Post by gbvu on Apr 17, 2006 10:24:26 GMT -5
When I was at Valpo I knew the former theology prof. Jon Pahl. In researching a book he was writing he claimed to have uncovered some writings of O.P. Kretzman and other prominant Lutherans during the WWII era that were pretty undeniably anti-semetic. I can give you no quotes or source, that's just what the man told me.
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Post by stlvufan on Apr 18, 2006 12:20:45 GMT -5
When I was at Valpo I knew the former theology prof. Jon Pahl. In researching a book he was writing he claimed to have uncovered some writings of O.P. Kretzman and other prominant Lutherans during the WWII era that were pretty undeniably anti-semetic. I can give you no quotes or source, that's just what the man told me. Do you remember any examples he geve from those prominent Lutherans of their anti-semitic writings? |
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