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Post by valpo04 on Apr 2, 2010 11:22:23 GMT -5
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Post by valporun on Apr 2, 2010 11:29:35 GMT -5
rick, if we consider your rants over political topics on the part of the board that almost specifically made for you to post your conservative toilet reading material, you don't like any kind of change, otherwise you wouldn't be spouting off about how you believe liberals are dumb and misguided about society because we actually want to put trial and error to effective use. Mistakes have to made for lessons to be learned anymore. Conservatives should realize this from the failed eight years of George W. Bush. He made a lot of mistakes, and we learned the hard way how to live with them.
This change from 64 to 96 teams is just ridiculous because it doesn't benefit the student-athletes involved much at all. It just makes 64 teams play an extra game to appease the masses of gray-haired conservatives that just want more money made at the expense of being entertained by CBS/ESPN as they see their wallets and bank accounts grow. Pretty soon, this expansion will lead to more discussion by power conference fans to make it so that the players are paid for their play.
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Post by rick on Apr 2, 2010 11:29:52 GMT -5
It is stupid to criticize an organization for wanting to make more money. This is America, not the USSR. Of course they want to make more money, who doesn't? It's a tired and worn left-wing, argument that reeks of class warfare. GASP! Those evil big corporations are oppressing the little guy. Poor people are poor because the rich are rich. And only the wealthy are greedy. Bunk! They might decide that expanding the field can provide more revenue! What is this world coming to? It's a hypocritical and stupid argument. Always has been. Always will be. As if wanting to make more money is evil. How naive - and hypocritical - the same people making that argument probably do everything they can to increase their own salary and make money. So what?
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Post by valpo04 on Apr 2, 2010 11:30:46 GMT -5
Me of all people? What change am I whining about? Please provide evidence and not just make a wild accusation. BTW, I was not responding to you although you do seem to be quite defensive about what I wrote. Not really a "wild accusation" more of a "tongue-in-cheek" reference to your Off Topic rantings against the "HOPE & CHANGE" president. I am not being defensive... I am backing up my argument that expansion is stupid, and is about money. You responded that people who are against it are ONLY against it because they are resistant to change and are "whining about" that change. You do make a compelling argument for it. I would like to think I make an equally valid argument against it. |
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Post by valpo04 on Apr 2, 2010 11:36:12 GMT -5
It is stupid to criticize an organization for wanting to make more money. This is America, not the USSR. Of course they want to make more money, who doesn't? It's a tired and worn left-wing, argument that reeks of class warfare. GASP! Those evil big corporations are oppressing the little guy. People are poor because the rich are rich. And only the wealthy are greedy. Bunk! They might decide that expanding the field can provide more revenue! What is this world coming to? It's a hypocritical and stupid argument. Always has been. Always will be. As if wanting to make more money is evil. How naive - and hypocritical - the same people making that argument probably do everything they can to increase their own salary and make money. So what? To address this specific point, I have no problem with an organization wanting to make more money. I DO have a problem with it when the attempt is thinly-veiled as something else. I also have a problem with the amount of money the NCAA and its schools make off these players. I DO think they should get a cut of it. |
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Post by rick on Apr 2, 2010 11:43:24 GMT -5
It is stupid to criticize an organization for wanting to make more money. This is America, not the USSR. Of course they want to make more money, who doesn't? It's a tired and worn left-wing, argument that reeks of class warfare. GASP! Those evil big corporations are oppressing the little guy. People are poor because the rich are rich. And only the wealthy are greedy. Bunk! They might decide that expanding the field can provide more revenue! What is this world coming to? It's a hypocritical and stupid argument. Always has been. Always will be. As if wanting to make more money is evil. How naive - and hypocritical - the same people making that argument probably do everything they can to increase their own salary and make money. So what? To address this specific point, I have no problem with an organization wanting to make more money. I DO have a problem with it when the attempt is thinly-veiled as something else. I also have a problem with the amount of money the NCAA and its schools make off these players. I DO think they should get a cut of it. Prove that it is "thinly-veiled as something else." So you think players should be paid? I thought they were (about to puke at this pc term:) "student athletes." It's their business. They make money. Nothing wrong with that. They should run their business the way they want to. As long as they are not breaking any laws, they can charge what the market will bear as far as I'm concerned. And if people are willing to pay, more power to them - make as much as you can. Every person in America is no different. They want to make as much money as they can - legally. That's why they get an education and work hard to be financially independent. Profits benefit everyone. It's hypocritical of those who criticize business for wanting to make more money because these are the very same people who tend to be union workers who try and suck the very lifeblood out of the auto industry so that they can make outrageous wages and benefits that most Americans don't make. Whenever I hear someone whining about an organization making decisions and changes so that they can make more revenue (as one aspect of the changes), it's a red flag and usually involves a liberal hypocrite. Not always but mostly. |
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Post by valpo04 on Apr 2, 2010 12:00:42 GMT -5
To address this specific point, I have no problem with an organization wanting to make more money. I DO have a problem with it when the attempt is thinly-veiled as something else. I also have a problem with the amount of money the NCAA and its schools make off these players. I DO think they should get a cut of it. " So you think players should be paid? I thought they were (about to puke at this pc term:) "student athletes." It's their business. They make money. Nothing wrong with that. They should run their business the way they want to. As long as they are not breaking any laws, they can charge what the market will bear as far as I'm concerned. And if people are willing to pay, more power to them - make as much as you can. Every person in America is no different. They want to make as much money as they can - legally. That's why they get an education and work hard to be financially independent. Profits benefit everyone. It's hypocritical of those who criticize business for wanting to make more money because these are the very same people who tend to be union workers who try and suck the very lifeblood out of the auto industry so that they can make outrageous wages and benefits that most Americans don't make. Whenever I hear someone whining about an organization making decisions and changes so that they can make more revenue (as one aspect of the changes), it's a red flag and usually involves a liberal hypocrite. Not always but mostly. You are dragging this off topic, but I will bite. Shaheen flat our refused to acknowledge that if teams advance, kids will miss an entire week of school if they expand the tournament. deadspin.com/5508007/last-nights-winner-john-feinsteinTo me, having kids miss more school while profiting off of them does not mesh with their "core purpose" that says: Our purpose is to govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner, and to integrate intercollegiate athletics into higher education so that the educational experience of the student-athlete is paramount. So the tournament will expand... the NCAA will make more money and kids will miss more school because of it. ...and I will again say to you that you are completely wrong when you say that EVERY American wants to make as much money as possible. Dead wrong. Some of them are willing to take a job that doesn't pay well because they feel it is more important to do something good for society like say, become a teacher than it is to make as much money as possible. |
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Post by rick on Apr 2, 2010 12:17:59 GMT -5
So what? Heck, when Valpo was in the Mid-Con on a long road trip across the country, it wasn't much different. You can still do your homework in a hotel room.
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Post by rick on Apr 2, 2010 12:21:33 GMT -5
Teachers today make good money for nine months of work partly because they are in unions. And some incompetent teachers stay employed because of unions. Teachers and their unions fight for good pay and raises just like anyone else. I've never seen or heard about a teacher who makes a good living that turned down a pay increase.
Everyone wants to make more money. Everyone! Unless they are mentally ill and are divorced from reality.
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Post by valpo04 on Apr 2, 2010 12:34:58 GMT -5
So what? Heck, when Valpo was in the Mid-Con on a long road trip across the country, it wasn't much different. You can still do your homework in a hotel room. You completely miss the point. I never said it was a concern of mine. You asked me for proof that their expansion was thinly-veiled. They are supposed to care about that sort of thing. They are proving that they don't. Teachers today make good money for nine months of work partly because they are in unions. And some incompetent teachers stay employed because of unions. Teachers and their unions fight for good pay and raises just like anyone else. I've never seen or heard about a teacher who makes a good living that turned down a pay increase. Everyone wants to make more money. Everyone! Unless they are mentally ill and are divorced from reality. You completely miss the point here as well. Of course everyone would want to be paid more for what they do. However, I don't believe for one minute that you have to be "mentally ill" to pursue work that is not the most profitable work you could be doing. People could choose professions that pay more, but that's not as important as doing work that seems worthwhile. Also, the argument that teachers only work 9 months out of the year, and therefore "make good money" is complete BS. |
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Post by rick on Apr 2, 2010 12:43:12 GMT -5
So what? Heck, when Valpo was in the Mid-Con on a long road trip across the country, it wasn't much different. You can still do your homework in a hotel room. You completely miss the point. I never said it was a concern of mine. You asked me for proof that their expansion was thinly-veiled. They are supposed to care about that sort of thing. They are proving that they don't. Teachers today make good money for nine months of work partly because they are in unions. And some incompetent teachers stay employed because of unions. Teachers and their unions fight for good pay and raises just like anyone else. I've never seen or heard about a teacher who makes a good living that turned down a pay increase. Everyone wants to make more money. Everyone! Unless they are mentally ill and are divorced from reality. You completely miss the point here as well. Of course everyone would want to be paid more for what they do. However, I don't believe for one minute that you have to be "mentally ill" to pursue work that is not the most profitable work you could be doing. People could choose professions that pay more, but that's not as important as doing work that seems worthwhile. Also, the argument that teachers only work 9 months out of the year, and therefore "make good money" is complete BS. It looks like you are the one who has "completely" missed the point. We are talking past each other. We can agree to disagree. You can have the last word if you want to. |
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Post by jerome1 on Apr 14, 2010 4:28:19 GMT -5
It looks like you are the one who has "completely" missed the point. We are talking past each other. We can agree to disagree. You can have the last word if you want to. That is not an offer you get very often from Rick. Say something really provocative and let's see if Rick can really keep his word. I doubt it. |
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Post by valpo04 on Apr 22, 2010 11:34:47 GMT -5
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Post by stlvufan on Apr 22, 2010 12:43:01 GMT -5
What would be really cool is to turn Tuesday in Dayton into a 4-PIG all-day-event. How surprising would it be, really, if that would be wildly successful?
Having said that, I'm guessing that other cities will be bidding madly to become Dayton II, Dayton III, and Dayton IV. If St. Louis hosted a PIG, I might go.
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Post by valporun on Apr 22, 2010 13:45:06 GMT -5
What would be really cool is to turn Tuesday in Dayton into a 4-PIG all-day-event. How surprising would it be, really, if that would be wildly successful? Having said that, I'm guessing that other cities will be bidding madly to become Dayton II, Dayton III, and Dayton IV. If St. Louis hosted a PIG, I might go. I like the idea of that Tuesday being "play-in day". I think I would only be interested in it if the 8 teams were playing to be a 6,7,8,9,10, or 11 seed, and not a "gimme" 16 seed. I would advocate for the 8 bubble teams to be in these play-in games, instead of 8 teams from low-major conferences, or 1st time entrants. |
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