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Post by blackpantheruwm on Jul 29, 2010 20:05:54 GMT -5
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Post by wh on Jul 29, 2010 20:49:35 GMT -5
Another well done piece and good way to keep fans from different schools in the conference engaged during the off season.
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Post by bbtds on Aug 1, 2010 20:45:59 GMT -5
Someone in the comments section said Jay Harris may not be as good as ESPN.com rated him, saying Harris didn't get enough offers from other "quality" schools.
Not sure why Jay Harris is on the list. ESPN.com is the ONLY service that has him rated high. Rivals did not have him ranked and had him as a zero star recruit. Scout did not have him ranked and had him as a 2 star recruit . He didn’t even have any good scholarship offers. I don’t put much stock in most of the recruiting sites. I rate a recruit on who else offered him a scholarship. Harris had offers from Valpo, Ball State, and Wichita State. Virginia Tech asked him to walk on. I don’t see the infatuation with this kid.
Hmmmm, Is Harris over rated by ESPN.com?
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Post by wh on Aug 1, 2010 21:40:59 GMT -5
Someone in the comments section said Jay Harris may not be as good as ESPN.com rated him, saying Harris didn't get enough offers from other "quality" schools. Not sure why Jay Harris is on the list. ESPN.com is the ONLY service that has him rated high. Rivals did not have him ranked and had him as a zero star recruit. Scout did not have him ranked and had him as a 2 star recruit . He didn’t even have any good scholarship offers. I don’t put much stock in most of the recruiting sites. I rate a recruit on who else offered him a scholarship. Harris had offers from Valpo, Ball State, and Wichita State. Virginia Tech asked him to walk on. I don’t see the infatuation with this kid. Hmmmm, Is Harris over rated by ESPN.com? One thing I have learned is that fans of HL teams have almost no knowledge of specific circumstances surrounding recruits of any team other than their own. They look at a couple of basic measures and make meaningless snap judgments - most of the time to support negative conclusions. Look at Cory. Last year at this time, the same fans were predicting that he would be no big deal in the HL, based on "limited playing time at a mediocre Big 12 team." Everyone should stick to evaluating their own recruits, and hope that everyone else's are as good as advertised for the overall standing of the conference. |
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Post by vu72 on Aug 2, 2010 7:16:30 GMT -5
I think bbtds has forgotten that the Illinois Basketball Coaches Assn had him First Team All State for big schools and The Chicago Tribune had him Second Team All State.
It won't be long now, the prooof will be "in the pudding." Remember, the rating services never heard of Rowdy Broekhoff either. Wait till you see him play this year!
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Post by vuweathernerd on Aug 2, 2010 8:47:15 GMT -5
I think bbtds has forgotten that the Illinois Basketball Coaches Assn had him First Team All State for big schools and The Chicago Tribune had him Second Team All State. It won't be long now, the prooof will be "in the pudding." Remember, the rating services never heard of Rowdy Broekhoff either. Wait till you see him play this year! i think he was just mentioning a particular comment |
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Post by zvillehaze on Aug 2, 2010 9:41:54 GMT -5
IMO, there's a little bit of truth on both sides of this discussion.
a. The number and level of offers a player holds following his senior year of HS is a fairly good indication of what college coaches think of his college potential. HS stats and honors are nice, but if coaches don't think a kid's talents translate to the college game, they will shy away. With Harris, I suspect that there were some questions about his size and strength that may have scared away a few schools.
b. On the other hand, once a kid gets to college, it doesn't matter what awards he earned in HS or what college recruiting services rated him. It's a clean slate and the kid has the opportunity to prove his doubters wrong.
As vu72 pointed out, we'll know soon enough which of these guys can play!
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Post by vu72 on Aug 2, 2010 10:46:42 GMT -5
IMO, there's a little bit of truth on both sides of this discussion. a. The number and level of offers a player holds following his senior year of HS is a fairly good indication of what college coaches think of his college potential. HS stats and honors are nice, but if coaches don't think a kid's talents translate to the college game, they will shy away. With Harris, I suspect that there were some questions about his size and strength that may have scared away a few schools. b. On the other hand, once a kid gets to college, it doesn't matter what awards he earned in HS or what college recruiting services rated him. It's a clean slate and the kid has the opportunity to prove his doubters wrong. As vu72 pointed out, we'll know soon enough which of these guys can play! Clearly he flew under the radar from a typical big time recruit. I think it had to do with questions about his size and overall game during his junior year. Remember, players are on various radars starting as young as eighth grade. Harris clearly turned many heads during his breakout senior year and by then, thankfully, Bryce had developed a great relationship with him and that, ultimately, made a huge difference. Lots of schools were interested but didin't have a scholarship that late in the game. That was the case with Virginia Tech who wanted to offer but didn't have an opening. Jay recently scored 27 in a state all star game and I found the following write-up about a performance last summer in a Spiece tournament. The other names in the post are well known and include recruits to Ohio State, Duke, Michigan State and others. We've got a gem. At Spiece, Harris torched highly regarded Class of 2011 star Marquis Teague (Indianapolis Pike), Ohio State-bound DeShawn Thomas (Fort Wayne Luers) and Michigan State-bound Russell Byrd (Fort Wayne Luers) for 26 points in leading his team to an upset win. Along with D'Monte Hopkins (Lockport), Harris also torched Josh Smith, Anthony Wroten and Seattle Rotary in a game that Old School led by six late ahead of ultimately falling by two points. |
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Post by chef on Aug 2, 2010 11:21:35 GMT -5
One very important point regarding Jay's lack of offers from big schools. He was a late bloomer, and Bryce was the first one on him. MANY big schools came in late when he still hadn't signed. If memory serves me correctly, this was well documented in an article in chicagohoops.com. Jay was very clear he was going to stay loyal to the schools that recruited him the longest. It is very rare that a player stays loyal like he did. I think it says something about his character. I don't want to put undo pressure on him, but trust me, barring injury, he'll be an all-conference player in the Horizon League before he graduates.
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Post by wh on Aug 2, 2010 12:42:57 GMT -5
MANY big schools came in late when he still hadn't signed. If memory serves me correctly, this was well documented in an article in chicagohoops.com. Another thing that was well documented was that Jay told schools that expressed interest in him that he wanted to go where he could get immediate playing time as a Freshman. According to one article, that caused Illinois to back off, as one example. Again, these are the circumstances I was referring to in my earlier response that fans of other teams have little or no knowledge of. Conversely, as a Valpo fan I don't study the Butler, Milw and WSU recruiting boards with any great detail or google to see if I can glean any of the fine details about their recruits and prospective recruits. I also don't make a habit of criticizing the quality of other teams' recruits to make myself feel better about ours.  |
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Post by bbtds on Aug 2, 2010 23:46:24 GMT -5
I think bbtds has forgotten that the Illinois Basketball Coaches Assn had him First Team All State for big schools and The Chicago Tribune had him Second Team All State. It won't be long now, the prooof will be "in the pudding." Remember, the rating services never heard of Rowdy Broekhoff either. Wait till you see him play this year! i think he was just mentioning a particular comment Yes, I was trying to stimulate the conversation and knew many of you guys would like to respond to that comment. I knew there were good reasons for the hype about Jay Harris. |
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Post by crusaderdad on Aug 3, 2010 13:40:16 GMT -5
I know a kid that wasn't highly ranked by any of the rating sites if at all. We have all seen how that worked out. Jay is going to do big things for valpo. Period
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Post by fwalum on Aug 3, 2010 14:55:57 GMT -5
And whom might you be referring to crusaderdad? ;D Just kidding, I think we all know the obvious answer to that question.
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Post by wh on Aug 3, 2010 16:23:35 GMT -5
I know a kid that wasn't highly ranked by any of the rating sites if at all. We have all seen how that worked out. Jay is going to do big things for valpo. Period Speaking of exciting guards...With what will hopefully be added firepower and a greater inside presence on offense, our "unranked kid" should face fewer gimmick defenses this year. If so, look out! |
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Post by eddiec on Aug 4, 2010 13:43:47 GMT -5
I know a kid that wasn't highly ranked by any of the rating sites if at all. We have all seen how that worked out. Jay is going to do big things for valpo. Period Speaking of exciting guards...With what will hopefully be added firepower and a greater inside presence on offense, our "unranked kid" should face fewer gimmick defenses this year. If so, look out! Great point. If Harris is as good as advertised, he'll be able to be an additional offensive weapon on the rare occasions when Wood is taken out of the game (like what Butler did to him). Johnson played very well in those two games, but Valpo really needed another scorer to step forward and play with some confidence. Harris should be able to do that. |
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