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Post by okinawatyphoon on Aug 27, 2010 7:39:05 GMT -5
fwalumEven if you don't like the lifelines or know what they mean, is it better than just white at the bottom of the page like everything else? I think most people will agree yes. At least it's eye-catching. crusaderjoeGreen wasn't worked into the athletics logo because it is just an ACCENT color, not a primary color. It was never meant to be a "third" color on the same level as brown and gold. Green was designed to be used in 10% or less of our publications, logos, and other materials. Therefore, sometimes it won't appear. As far as athletic and academic consistency, how were our previous logos consistent at all? The other athletics logo had brown, orangey-brown, gold, and maroon. The general university logo didn't have that maroon in it. At least now, the "shield" in the new academic logo is the same shield that the crusader uses in the new athletics logo. Where is the green in the academic logo? Again, it's just an ACCENT color.
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Post by valpo04 on Aug 27, 2010 7:43:11 GMT -5
I liked the idea of the lime green accent color better before I saw the women's 3pt line and read that it will be worked into the uniforms. The old logo (as seen on the header of this site) had a maroon-ish color that worked well and would be a better accent color on the uniforms than lime green, IMO.
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Post by lurkingdog on Aug 27, 2010 8:33:45 GMT -5
The new 'V' will be on the football helmets this season. The Helmet Project has an all-brown version, which may or may not be what will be used. Attachments:
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Post by fwalum on Aug 27, 2010 9:24:27 GMT -5
fwalumEven if you don't like the lifelines or know what they mean, is it better than just white at the bottom of the page like everything else? I think most people will agree yes. At least it's eye-catching. I agree that having something at the bottom of the page is nice. However, the lifelines are abstract with no meaning unless you have read the branding statement. They would be better displayed at the Brauer Museum of Art. As I stated before, put something down there that is immediately recognizable as connected or having meaning to the university. I can think of a ton of things that would fit the bill better then the lifelines.
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Post by agibson on Aug 27, 2010 10:19:50 GMT -5
Now that the icons here have changed, I'm forced to stare at the new logos a bit.
The V/torch might grow on me. Part of my trouble, however, is that I just don't like brown and gold.
The knight's going to be tougher.
Especially for the web board, I will miss the cartoon version!
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Post by okinawatyphoon on Aug 27, 2010 10:21:37 GMT -5
The lifelines may not be immediately recognizable, but students applying to Valpo will see those on nearly every piece of literature they receive, it's on the website, it's on most campus publications, it's on all the banners on the light poles on campus, and it will be a major feature on our national television spot set to air later this year. In a year or two, most students should come to see those as distinctly Valpo, but it takes time to take effect.
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Post by agibson on Aug 27, 2010 10:34:10 GMT -5
The lime green "accent" for new posts? That's going to be tougher too!
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Post by valpo04 on Aug 27, 2010 11:30:25 GMT -5
The lime green "accent" for new posts? That's going to be tougher too! I am on the fence about it... might switch it back to gold.
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Post by vufan75 on Aug 27, 2010 11:32:59 GMT -5
The lifelines may not be immediately recognizable, but students applying to Valpo will see those on nearly every piece of literature they receive, it's on the website, it's on most campus publications, it's on all the banners on the light poles on campus, and it will be a major feature on our national television spot set to air later this year. In a year or two, most students should come to see those as distinctly Valpo, but it takes time to take effect. Hey okinawatyphoon. First, THANKS for all the time and effort you spend updating us, taking campus photos, etc. I really appreciate the time you spend on that. In your post you mentioned a national tv spot to air later this year. Can you elaborate any on that subject? When might the ads run, what channels, that sort of thing....? Any insights would be helpful. Also, sounds like the enrollment numbers I read about this week (850 incoming freshmen and transfers) puts us on the way to the larger enrollment desired? How will housing be handled? My guess was juniors and seniors would be allowed to live off-campus instead of just seniors as was the policy in the past. That would free up space for larger freshman and sophomore enrollments. Sure sounds like some interesting changes coming Valpo's way in a lot of different areas..be it larger enrollment, new buildings, enhanced athletic facilities, etc. I will say it will be nice when Brown Field gets the long awaited track installed someday, and the issue of renovating the ARC or building new are addressed. I look at the whole ARC issue (renovate or build new) as something necessary after stepping up to the Horizon League in so many sports.
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Post by crusaderjoe on Aug 27, 2010 12:21:47 GMT -5
Okinawa, let me first also echo VU75’s sentiments--I too appreciate what you bring to this board as a current student. I also appreciate your explanation about the green being used as an “accent” color. However, IMO, when the athletic department uses the color, this changes things in its entirety. It is no longer an "accent."
This was touched on earlier by fwalum if I am reading his prior posts correctly. When Valpo visits Dayton, Green Bay or Cleveland, and the University’s athletic teams take the field or court against the schools located in those cities with a uniform that has even the slightest use of citrus green, be it in either trim or accent form, no one is going to go home and scurry to the Valpo website and search to find out why the green was used. Fans are not going to research that the green was merely meant to serve as an “accent” color to be used in a greater presentation of representing “life”. All they are going to recognize is that VU’s colors must be brown, gold and citrus green, because it is logical to assume that teams play in the uniform color or colors of the school.
Let’s pretend for a moment that an old time alum wants to deck himself out in Valpo colors for a big athletic game. He decides to wear a citrus green colored tie in support of his team. Is he incorrect to do so, because that color is an "accent" color even though it appears on the uniform?
I honestly do not know the answer. For the amount of money, time, and roll out that VU put into all of this, I should expect that I would, at least from an athletic standpoint.
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Post by fwalum on Aug 27, 2010 12:39:23 GMT -5
My last word on the subject: My problem with this is that we already have some great things that are recognized as distinctly Valpo. A stylized line drawing of the Chapel Chancel exterior would be great and could even be incorporated into the "lifelines" in the area of the "community". After all the chapel is suppose to be the focal point of the campus and the Chancel "crown" is perhaps one of the most distinctive building elements I have ever seen. If those abstract squiggly lines are recognized as being distinctly Valpo in ten years I will gladly apologize and eat my ........ Look! Here is something I found that even has some lime green in it!
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Post by valpo04 on Aug 27, 2010 12:45:19 GMT -5
Look! Here is something I found that even has some lime green in it! Aww, a rendering of Moellering!
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Post by rink on Aug 27, 2010 15:21:36 GMT -5
I think they hit a home run with the new "V" logo. Not a grand slam, and not a moon shot -- a bit of a wall-scraper, actually -- but a home run nonetheless. It's simple, sophisticated and noble looking.
I'm not a fan of the new crusader at all. There's just something very "high school" about it. I've seen those pictures of the new gym floor about five times now, and everytime it does not feel like I'm looking at a college court -- for whatever reason, it just screams high school -- it's actually a little embarassing, IMO. I can only hope it fades over time and that outsiders don't perceive it the same! I can say that I will probably never let go of the cartoonish crusader mascot, I think it's a big mistake if they drop him. Maybe we'll be like Marquette's fanbase with the unending Warriors debate and not rest until the good crusader is brought back.
I'm down with citrus green, nice to liven things up a little. Hopefully it's used tastefully, I expect it will. Squigly abstract lines don't bother me, it's a college -- you know, cookie kids and their eclectic creativities, abstract art, and open minds and all that. That said, FWAlum's suggestion to incorporate lines that mimic the the chapel crown would likely be better from a branding/vision/just-what-makes-sense standpoint.
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Post by rink on Aug 27, 2010 15:23:18 GMT -5
Forgot to add that while I think the new shield is great, I think they whiffed on the font choice. The shield logo has clean, sinuous lines -- fluid and modern looking. But the font is like some old type-writer font. Total mismatch. Fail.
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Post by 78crusader on Aug 27, 2010 15:29:46 GMT -5
My thoughts, for what they're worth: (1) citrus green is ok with me if we're going to stick with Brown and Gold; (2) the new logo is pretty neat, I like it a lot; (3) I don't mind the Crusader mascot; the old one, to me, was too much patterned after the ND mascot; (4) the suggestion by fwalum to use the chapel outline is really, reallly a good idea -- and VU should immediately consider doing this; (5) we should have changed the school colors while we were changing everything else. Brown and Gold, unfortunately, just aren't the greatest colors to have. At all. Paul
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