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Post by vu72 on Sept 17, 2010 16:34:43 GMT -5
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Post by ValpoDad on Sept 17, 2010 17:46:31 GMT -5
Not sure how I was off. They interviewed coaches, no one accepted. Weeks later they re-start the interview process. 90 minutes before you posted this, I mentioned that Jen Samble had called a team meeting.
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Post by granny on Sept 17, 2010 18:49:48 GMT -5
Not sure how I was off. They interviewed coaches, no one accepted. Weeks later they re-start the interview process. 90 minutes before you posted this, I mentioned that Jen Samble had called a team meeting. Vdad-knew nothing about it.Was hoping for players sakes they would get sombody soon. I would have predicted somebody else,but Jordan looks like he has been very successful & should do well. I see they are playing in Iowa State tourney in Feb.,I might have to try & make it. I was most concerned if the additions to the stadium had been started,it was Randy's dream to see many of the improvements. |
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Post by ValpoDad on Sept 17, 2010 19:59:37 GMT -5
Vdad-knew nothing about it.Was hoping for players sakes they would get sombody soon. I hear ya. Seems like it took a while. I would have predicted somebody else,but Jordan looks like he has been very successful & should do well. I agree. The fact that they got turned down a few times and landed a first-time D1 coach tells me the package offered must have not been that great. I was most concerned if the additions to the stadium had been started,it was Randy's dream to see many of the improvements. I kinda wondered if the lack of improvements was not one of the reason he decided to move on. He stepped to the plate and took a crappy job for very little pay and did a good job in giving the program some stability. VU should have stepped to the plate a long time ago and gave him some decent facilities. |
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Post by vu72 on Sept 17, 2010 23:04:17 GMT -5
Not sure how I was off. They interviewed coaches, no one accepted. Weeks later they re-start the interview process. 90 minutes before you posted this, I mentioned that Jen Samble had called a team meeting. Well, you said the following: I don't think its going as good as they had hoped. Multiple prospects interviewed, a couple of offers, but..... nobody has accepted yet. Not "going as they had hoped...nobody has accepted" is pretty clear that you felt they weren't even close let alone having an announcement about 30 minutes later. It wasn't a criticism, just fact. As for what you said in a later post : I kinda wondered if the lack of improvements was not one of the reason he decided to move on. He stepped to the plate and took a crappy job for very little pay and did a good job in giving the program some stability. VU should have stepped to the plate a long time ago and gave him some decent facilities. I think you either have a short memory or perhaps an ax to grind regarding the Athletic department. Randy took that "crappy job" because it was a clear step up from his D3 job(Wartburg) to a D1 opportunity and a career improvement and resume builder. In the same way, he chose to move on to the Big Ten as a career move with undoubtedly a dream of being a head coach at a major program someday. As for facilities, he arrived at Valpo to a brand new facility. Does it need improvements? Of course and apparently some are coming shortly. All things in due course. The softball team has done remarkable things in the last few years. So have a bunch of other teams. They deserve better facilities as well. It is all about donors and I think you know that. |
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Post by ValpoDad on Sept 18, 2010 7:12:37 GMT -5
Not "going as they had hoped...nobody has accepted" is pretty clear that you felt they weren't even close let alone having an announcement about 30 minutes later. It wasn't a criticism, just fact. You're right, this hire came completely out of the blue. Thats why I had ask granny if he knew something, because no one with the team sure did. 5 minutes after I posted those words, I heard that an annoucement was going to be made.
With the steady success the program has made over the past 4 to 5 years, the AD and his staff assumed they were going to land a coach with previous D1 experience, someone who would take the team to the next level. Well, they had a few of those types interview and none were interested in the job. Why? I'm guessing it had to be the pay.
So... here they are again, hiring a D3 coach who took the job for probably less pay than he was currently making because he had visions of one day being a D1 softball head coach. Sound familiar?
Hiring a D1 coach from another mid-major school would have been a lateral move. Hiring a D3 coach, IMO, is a move backwards - we've been there.
VU has a new coach, but I don't feel the process went as "hoped".
Regardless, I welcome the new coach. He inherits an outstanding team, something that Randy did not. As for what you said in a later post : I kinda wondered if the lack of improvements was not one of the reason he decided to move on. He stepped to the plate and took a crappy job for very little pay and did a good job in giving the program some stability. VU should have stepped to the plate a long time ago and gave him some decent facilities. I think you either have a short memory or perhaps an ax to grind regarding the Athletic department. Randy took that "crappy job" because it was a clear step up from his D3 job(Wartburg) to a D1 opportunity and a career improvement and resume builder. In the same way, he chose to move on to the Big Ten as a career move with undoubtedly a dream of being a head coach at a major program someday. As for facilities, he arrived at Valpo to a brand new facility. Does it need improvements? Of course and apparently some are coming shortly. All things in due course. The softball team has done remarkable things in the last few years. So have a bunch of other teams. They deserve better facilities as well. It is all about donors and I think you know that. My comment was intended as a compliment to Randy for leaving a good job and dragging his family to Indiana to take a lower paying job. He was promised upgrades to facilities and never saw it happen. |
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Post by vu72 on Sept 18, 2010 10:26:44 GMT -5
So you are telling us that Wartburg College, with 1800 students, was apying more for a softball coach than Valpo? Very interesting and sad.
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Post by ValpoDad on Sept 18, 2010 11:55:38 GMT -5
I don't have exact numbers or I would give them to you. I can tell you this - I left the man's office 5 years ago with the impression that coming to Valpo was a drop in pay, but a step toward the goal of being a D1 head coach. If there were other factors that played into this and he didn't share those, then I apologize if I have posted incorrect information.
Please remember, he was the first full-time head softball coach at Valpo. I assuming that prior to his arrival, they just paid a stipend to someone already on staff. I'm guessing they didn't offer $50k a year for a brand new position to a coach with no D1 experience.
Also, he just left a HEAD coaching position to take an ASSISTANT coaching position. He's already ask his family to follow him once for less pay, do you think he would do it again? Maybe, maybe not. It tells me that Valpo's pay scale is extremely low if he was willing to give up the head spot in a program that he built to be the ballboy at a Big Ten program.
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Post by fwalum on Sept 18, 2010 23:07:22 GMT -5
I don't have exact numbers or I would give them to you. I can tell you this - I left the man's office 5 years ago with the impression that coming to Valpo was a drop in pay, Please remember, he was the first full-time head softball coach at Valpo. I assuming that prior to his arrival, they just paid a stipend to someone already on staff. I'm guessing they didn't offer $50k a year for a brand new position to a coach with no D1 experience. If you don't have any facts, why are you talking about things you really don't know? I would readily admit that in the situation you describe VU would probably not pay top dollar for a coach. I will even concede that we might not even pay our best coaches a truly competitive wage. However, to insinuate that we paid less then Wartburg College (a DIII school) with absolutely zero facts about VU coaches' compensation packages, makes me wonder what your agenda might be. |
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Post by ValpoDad on Sept 19, 2010 10:57:50 GMT -5
Why does everyone have to have an "agenda" these days? This is a discussion board and I'm just adding my $.02 to the days topics.
You basically agreed with everything I said and then you want to bust my chops. Thanks.
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Post by rink on Sept 19, 2010 12:18:26 GMT -5
Using anything less than 100% facts can only be used to infer *positive* things about VU, duh!
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