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Post by valporun on Nov 13, 2010 21:02:06 GMT -5
It looks like HLN now has a format that allows for archiving for all games. I noticed this when I turned on the Indiana State-Loyola game, and saw what looks like archived video of the Marian-Butler and IU-N-Valpo games. This could be a fun chance to scout out the rest of the league, for a chance. Sure goes against their initial mission with showing HL games online.
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Post by stlvufan on Nov 13, 2010 22:35:18 GMT -5
It looks like HLN now has a format that allows for archiving for all games. I noticed this when I turned on the Indiana State-Loyola game, and saw what looks like archived video of the Marian-Butler and IU-N-Valpo games. This could be a fun chance to scout out the rest of the league, for a chance. Sure goes against their initial mission with showing HL games online. What you saw was highlights of the Valpo-IUN game, not the whole game (unless they updated it again since this morning). |
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Post by valporun on Nov 14, 2010 0:05:03 GMT -5
It was highlights. My apologies for being wrong. I guess if it would have been mentioned under the video link or somewhere in that space with the game link, I wouldn't have been so hyped up about the possibility of archives...
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Post by agibson on Nov 14, 2010 10:08:47 GMT -5
I don't see how an archive would at all go against a "mission [of] showing HL games online". Time shifting the product seems very reasonable to me.
I've not seen anything specifically written about it this season, but I assume they'll archive (most) league
games, as they've done in past seasons.
When I've asked them before about archive policies, they've said that the schools (the athletic directors specifically, perhaps?) didn't want them to archive the non-league games. Some mumbo jumbo about scouting, perhaps.
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Post by valporun on Nov 14, 2010 10:57:45 GMT -5
I don't see how an archive would at all go against a "mission [of] showing HL games online". Time shifting the product seems very reasonable to me. I've not seen anything specifically written about it this season, but I assume they'll archive (most) league games, as they've done in past seasons. When I've asked them before about archive policies, they've said that the schools (the athletic directors specifically, perhaps?) didn't want them to archive the non-league games. Some mumbo jumbo about scouting, perhaps. Isn't there a rule about coaches having to exchange tapes for scouting purposes anyway? Plus, there are probably technologies available to be able to get games taped off of HLN that coaches could talk with significant donors about helping purchase. I'd say the college presidents need to get off the pot, and realize that scouting opponents is going to happen regardless of how it is going to get done. |
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Post by agibson on Nov 14, 2010 11:13:20 GMT -5
Yeah, that's basically my position. I think the harm they're doing to their fans (existing and potential) is greater than the harm they're doing to their opponents.
I've always figured that obtaining scouting video is a bit of a game. I think teams don't hand over their video to opponents, but instead you talk to past opponents of your future opponents, etc, etc. So, there's a bit of gamesmanship involved. But, surely everyone gets the video. And of better quality than they're going to get from the HLN archive.
And, yes, if somehow streaming video was the best available source, I'm sure teams would figure out how to record it from the live stream. Even without the archive. I've done it in the past, and surely teams could apply more resources (time, talent, money) than I have to solve the problem of recording the current streaming format.
I've not pushed much on the Valpo side of this issue. I suspect our AD would at least be sympathetic to the interests of the fan base. Probably I/we should send him a note.
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Post by rlh on Nov 14, 2010 12:00:01 GMT -5
I don't know about the AD, but I do know that Homer is against having his games archived....or even shown on the internet. I went through that with him when I used to do the games on the cable and internet. The scouting issue is exactly the reason he was against it. I don't think he has a choice with conference games, but I know that's how he felt about non-conference a few years ago.
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Post by agibson on Nov 14, 2010 12:09:05 GMT -5
Fascinating!
Do you know what his concern is? Does he really think that he can _prevent_ teams from getting scouting material?
It's hard for me to say exactly what an on-line fan base is, or could be, worth to a team. But, it seems like a resource that should be developed. (Here I am, preaching to the choir - talking directly to the team's online fan base.)
It's not quite the same, but surely we wouldn't turn down television coverage, or newspaper, radio,
or other media coverage. All of those are, I guess, some kind of a source of information also for opponents.
Is archived, or even live streaming, video so much different? Is the risk so much greater, or the reward so much less?
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