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Post by agibson on Dec 25, 2010 10:10:36 GMT -5
Dashing off a quick reply:
(Nice Christmas metaphor!)
Oh, in terms of the Horizon League succeeding, I think I'm totally with you.
Just wondering about the details of where we'll finish in RPI. Trivia really. And, you may easily be right about 9-11.
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Post by stlvufan on Dec 25, 2010 13:25:55 GMT -5
Can't explain everything today. But think of the conference now as three kings, three donkeys and four star-struck onlookers. The only response I can muster is to applaud the utter chutzpah.
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Post by agibson on Dec 28, 2010 15:07:19 GMT -5
Looks like the CUSA and CAA have a non-conf game per team left before starting conference play early in January. So, our RPI rank could shift around a bit before conference play begins...
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Post by agibson on Dec 30, 2010 6:27:58 GMT -5
With the Horizon League non-conference schedule finished until the Bracketbuster (can we go six of eight?), why not jot down our current RPI situation.
I'm taking the numbers from WarrenNolan.com which seems to update quickly.
The league average RPI at the moment is 0.5212. Currently good for 10th (the CAA edged us out over night, but we're virtually tied - they and the CUSA still have a bit of non-conference play left).
Team RPI Rank Butler 0.6363 12 CSU 0.6279 20 Valpo 0.5638 69 UWM 0.5085 148 UWGB 0.5072 149 WSU 0.4891 187 Detroit 0.4788 200 Loyola 0.4757 207 YSU 0.4638 229 UIC 0.4607 230
Here are the conferences as well:
Big East 0.5900 Big Ten 0.5735 Big XII 0.5660 ACC 0.5625 Mountain West 0.5564 Pac 10 0.5413 SEC 0.5385 Atlantic 10 0.5340 Colonial Athletic 0.5216 Horizon League 0.5212 Conference USA 0.5166 Missouri Valley 0.5123
That should all be including last night's games, those of Wednesday, December 30.
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Post by vu72 on Dec 30, 2010 10:49:20 GMT -5
Interesting. The Sagarin's have the Horizon 11th, just edged out of 10th by CAA.
Here is the rankings for the Horizon teams:
33 Cleveland State 34 Butler 85 Valparaiso 133 Loyola-Chicago 158 Wright State 163 Wis.-Green Bay 179 Detroit 188 Wis.-Milwaukee 206 Youngstown State 241 Illinois-Chicago
And by conference:
1 BIG EAST 2 BIG TEN 3 BIG 12 4 ATLANTIC COAST 5 MOUNTAIN WEST 6 SOUTHEASTERN 7 PACIFIC-10 8 CONFERENCE USA 9 ATLANTIC 10 10 COLONIAL 11 HORIZON 12 MISSOURI VALLEY 13 WEST COAST 14 WESTERN ATHLETIC 15 IVY LEAGUE 16 SUMMIT LEAGUE 17 METRO ATLANTIC 18 MID-AMERICAN 19 ATLANTIC SUN 20 BIG WEST 21 SOUTHERN 22 BIG SOUTH 23 BIG SKY 24 NORTHEAST 25 SUN BELT 26 AMERICA EAST 27 PATRIOT 28 SOUTHLAND 29 OHIO VALLEY 30 MID-EASTERN 31 INDEPENDENTS 32 SOUTHWESTERN 33 GREAT WEST
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Post by dylanrocks on Dec 31, 2010 9:53:23 GMT -5
72: Pomeroy and Sagarin are projections of how their originators think teams will finish. RealtimeRPI.com and CollegeRPI.com are listings of teams based upon performance. Hope that clears things up.
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Post by valpo84 on Jan 4, 2011 15:39:07 GMT -5
Looking at the conferences the Horizon has not played this year (bracket buster might change that), there are three conferences that Horizon teams should be playing -- CAA, Ivy and Patriot. There are some good matchups there that would help both conferences schedule strength and would actually be entertaining. Could be neither team wants those tougher games, but as home and homes would make some sense. Think about Valpo, Detroit or Loyola v. Penn, Cornell, Harvard, Yale, George Mason, ODU, W&M, VCU or NC Wilmington, Marshall, Rice and Tulane.
I think more A10 games make good sense for those conferences. Wright State or Valpo-Dayton makes sense, Butler-X is a natural, YSU-Duquense is a good geographic match-up as is CSU-Duquesne. CSU and the Bonnies have had a home and home. Valpo-Charlotte used to be a good series. LaSalle and St Louis are good teams for matchups. STL and Majerus should be a natural home and home for Valpo. Another that is curious, shouldn't the Pioneer League teams play more in basketball, shouldn't that be a natural result of that football conference? Dayton, Davidson, Drake, Campbell would all be good hoops matchups for Valpo?
One other question I have on the OOC, except for BCS conferences, how many of the good games were because of Bracketbuster return games or tourney games versus being able to schedule them independently? Presumably it's 10 games. Then, how many were based on tournaments. For example, Valpo played Ohio, Kansas, TACC and NoCO as part of the Vegas Tourney and Oakland and EMich as part of the Oakland/Henson tourney. That's six OOC games on road or neutral courts.
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Post by agibson on Jan 4, 2011 16:05:09 GMT -5
I guess you meant CUSA when you said Patriot?
If so, I think I agree with most everything you said.
I've been slow to learn about the CAA as a quality mid-major, but my respect has been increasing. (I was sort of off-line for the whole George Mason business.) I don't know why they don't get more attention from the Horizon League - do they prefer to stay on the east coast?
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Post by vuweathernerd on Jan 5, 2011 23:31:19 GMT -5
84-funny you should mention valpo-dayton. i just got home from the slu-ud game in stl, and i honestly believe that we could give ud a great game with a great shot at winning. and valpo-slu would sell a lot of tickets in st louis. my parents (also vu alums), would probably end up going every year. plus it'd be a great extention and give increased exposure in the stl area.
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Post by stlvufan on Jan 5, 2011 23:39:38 GMT -5
84-funny you should mention valpo-dayton. i just got home from the slu-ud game in stl, and i honestly believe that we could give ud a great game with a great shot at winning. and valpo-slu would sell a lot of tickets in st louis. my parents (also vu alums), would probably end up going every year. plus it'd be a great extention and give increased exposure in the stl area. I just love talk like this
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Post by rlh on Jan 6, 2011 9:59:18 GMT -5
Remember, SLU was our last loss in 1998....then we won 14 in a row and went to the Sweet 16, plus it's Homer's home town...seems like a no-brainer to me
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Post by crusadermoe on Jan 6, 2011 10:41:10 GMT -5
Agree that SLU is a no-brainer or at least makes a lot of sense. Has this been tried in recent years? It is the only one of Valpo's key midwest cities not represented in the Horizon League. Seems worth a major effort to start a series even if a 2 for 1 is needed.
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Post by vu72 on Jan 6, 2011 11:08:29 GMT -5
Perhaps our new VP of Enrollment Management, Boyd Bradshaw, could be helpful. We stole him from SLU, where he was Vice Provost of Enrollment Management. Then again, maybe not.
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Post by dylanrocks on Jan 6, 2011 11:11:46 GMT -5
Interesting conversation. Don't accept a 2-for-1 with St. Louis. There's no reason to do that with A-10 schools.
As for C-USA members, I think they're too busy trying to find the next Maryville (Mo.) to schedule. I know there's been some criticism of aspects of the Valpo schedule, but take a look at what was necessary in order for Tulane to get off to a 12-3 start (Outside of Georgetown and VCU, you'll find of litany of schools of which you've barely ever heard):
vs. Loyola (N.O.) at Maryland-Eastern Shore vs. Centenary vs. Maryville (St. Louis) at Nicholls State (L) vs. Alabama State vs. Louisiana at New Orleans vs. Auburn-Montgomery at Southern vs. Lamar vs. Texas-Pan American vs. Rice
In short, the Green Wave doesn't want you or any legitimate competition. For the most part, aside from a "buy" game here or there, they simply want wins to pad their record.
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Post by valpofan56 on Jan 6, 2011 11:18:12 GMT -5
Interesting conversation. Don't accept a 2-for-1 with St. Louis. There's no reason to do that with A-10 schools. I agree about not accepting a 2 for 1 with SLU. They are hardly worthy of that. About the only A-10 school that Valpo should consider worthy of a 2 for 1 is Xavier.
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