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Post by ValpoHoops on Jan 13, 2011 22:52:08 GMT -5
This is not the YSU Women's team you guys beat 80-28 last year. They've been in all but 3-4 games this year and let a few double-digit leads slide on the road this year. Oh I know they aren't the same. But, its still a terrible loss...at home...to a team that hasn't won a conference game in 2 years (or something like that) and a road game longer than that (or something like that). I guess my post was as soon as the horn sounded and it was my immediate reaction, but after an hour, I still can't really think of much worse...maybe the 35-31 (or whatever it was) loss at UMKC a few years back. Again, I know YSU isn't as bad...but they still aren't good.
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Post by jack on Jan 14, 2011 8:51:03 GMT -5
Another disappointing loss. The reasons we keep coming up on the losing end sounds like a broken record. Guards not handling the ball (19 turnovers for 15pts) we're not playing aggressive enough, and no one seems to want to take charge. The turnovers are one thing, but when your opponent gets to the freethrow line 35 times (although they only shot 57% from the stripe) and you get there 7, something needs to change. It's a shame we squandered another great outting by Adams. It's time to sit a few players and let some others who will play with heart give it a shot. At this point, it can't hurt a thing, and it'll let the coaching staff take a look at some possible future lineups that may fill some voids.
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Post by indyvalpo on Jan 14, 2011 10:16:33 GMT -5
Another disappointing loss. The reasons we keep coming up on the losing end sounds like a broken record. Guards not handling the ball (19 turnovers for 15pts) we're not playing aggressive enough, and no one seems to want to take charge. The turnovers are one thing, but when your opponent gets to the freethrow line 35 times (although they only shot 57% from the stripe) and you get there 7, something needs to change. It's a shame we squandered another great outting by Adams. It's time to sit a few players and let some others who will play with heart give it a shot. At this point, it can't hurt a thing, and it'll let the coaching staff take a look at some possible future lineups that may fill some voids. I have been on this bandwagon for 2+ years. You can not continue to play the same people the same minutes in the same situations and expect different results. We started off down 16-3. How many times to we have to start in a impossible hole before we START DIFFERENT PLAYERS. Do you think we could play Gick 30 minutes for a few games to see if she can play before she leaves. Why is S Lang only playing 10 minutes a game. Calloway and Horton need minutes every game. I am assuming the AD is beginning to compile a list of potential new coaches for next year because it is pretty obvious the current one has been tuned out.
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Post by jack on Jan 14, 2011 12:56:26 GMT -5
It's hard to watch the losses pile up when you see the talent warming the pines. We have some very capable players that appear to be spending their first season as spectators. Some possitive playing time early on, and by now we'd be looking at a much better, more rounded team IMO. I've seen each of these ladies compete, and know they are fully capable of contributing. I also feel they'd be giving 100%. I can't say that for some of the players that, at times, appear to be going through the motions. I'm all for putting in your time during practices, and cheering your team mates on from the bench, until you earn minutes, but when the product you have on the bench could quite possibly be a better option then you have on the floor, it's time to rethink your game plan. As the saying goes, winning can be contageous - by the same token, losing consistently is as well. I'd have to say I'm with you I.V., the losses are probably easier to swallow if were looking to break the mold and try different things. More of the same, and you get........more of the same.
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Post by valporun on Jan 16, 2011 14:52:28 GMT -5
As rlh mentioned here before, Keith Freeman is very stubborn about his coaching and who plays. The players have to earn time, and he was even like this about the 2000-2001 team that won 7 games, after almost making the NCAA tourney in 1999-2000. This was in Jeanette Gray's sophomore season, and when Suzie Hammel, Kathryn Knoester, and a couple other players got there. They didn't always see playing time, but they did earn their stripes leading to the consecutive years of postseason play in the WNIT and the two consecutive NCAA appearances.
He won't change his philosophy, regardless of the talent he has on his bench, even if he uses a very short bench.
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Post by valpofan56 on Jan 16, 2011 15:58:32 GMT -5
He won't change his philosophy, regardless of the talent he has on his bench, even if he uses a very short bench. This is exactly why he deserves to be fired! What kind of a coaching philosophy is that?! I know a certain administrator on this board who would love to have Freeman's job. I'm sure he'd do it for a lot less than whatever they are paying Freeman too!
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Post by indyvalpo on Jan 17, 2011 0:12:43 GMT -5
Check out this quote in the Post Tribune from yesterday's game....."We came out and we didn't handle the ball particularly well," VU coach Keith Freeman said of the second half. "I thought we didn't come out with the same type of energy in the second half. In the first three minutes you do all that work and you give it right back.
"In the second half, we quit defensively. We need to hold teams to the 50s. We have gotta find a combination of players that are committed to getting stop after stop."
Oh and he played the same people as always and even shortened his bench. 2 seniors played their highest minutes of the year....brilliant! At this point I am guessing we will never have defenders that he wants, perhaps we should try playing a zone.
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Post by jack on Jan 17, 2011 10:19:46 GMT -5
That's the story of the season. Unfortunately for Freeman, if you don't have ball handlers, you're far too vulnerable to the apponent's deffense. You have to have ball control or the rest of your offensive scheme just doesn't work. Of course, that doesn't explain the deffensive breakdown. The ladies just looked tired. More substitutions, and going deeper into the bench may allow some needed rest for the starters, and they might be able to keep their legs under them as the game progresses. He needs to stay true to his comments and actually look for that right combination of players - making those statements to hope and change the work ethic of the players you're playing isn't working.
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Post by wayne on Jan 20, 2011 21:53:27 GMT -5
Now what???. Another 20 pt loss. Someone stop the bleeding!
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Post by indyvalpo on Jan 20, 2011 22:03:50 GMT -5
I think it time to let an assistant run this team. Same lineups, same minutes, same results.
Richards has now scored 2 points in the last 5 games playing 150 minutes. Seriously..
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Post by valpo10 on Jan 20, 2011 23:54:18 GMT -5
Now what???. Another 20 pt loss. Someone stop the bleeding! The Patriots wouldn't help then either. Oh Bart Scott.....
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Post by wayne on Jan 21, 2011 9:35:40 GMT -5
Recruiting has gone down hill? Ashley Varner - Indiana All-Star Betsy Adams - Indiana All-Star Skyler Gick - Indiana All-Star, first-team All-State Stefanie Lang - Indiana junior All-Star Laura Richards - Indiana junior All-Star Tabitha Gerardot - Indiana All-Star, first-team All-State, third in Ms. Basketball There is plenty of talent coming through the door. What makes me laugh is that people in Northwest Indiana are constantly harping on VU for not bringing in local talent. Ok, so Freeman recruits all over Indiana and then people complain that recruiting has fallen off. Make up your mind people. Do you want local kids that you can feel good about who are marginally talented, or do you want a national (or international) roster of players who are good, but you somehow have angst towards because they didn't grow up watching Hoosiers every day? As someone who has had several conversations with Keith concerning the teams over the last two years, his take is dead on. He believes that you can't shortcut the path to greatness. Now you can argue all you want about whether or not this collection of players will be great, but Freeman is right, there is no shortcut to building a successful team. Freeman once said to me that "experience is what you get when you don't get what you're looking for." I think it's a very powerful quote and one that I believe will pay off over the next two years. Sorry for my rant, but this constant double standard people have just irritates me. Well if we have talent then what is the problem??? You need to "develop players" at this level
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Post by girlsbbfan on Jan 21, 2011 12:59:05 GMT -5
Coach Freeman's system and methods do work. It doesn't take more than an injury or two to one of your more experienced players to create a lot of problems. When you add in the fact that the team is very young overall, then the possibility of a trying season is very high. Things will get back to normal which will include 18 to 20 win seasons.
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Post by indyvalpo on Jan 21, 2011 13:52:54 GMT -5
Coach Freeman's system and methods do work. It doesn't take more than an injury or two to one of your more experienced players to create a lot of problems. When you add in the fact that the team is very young overall, then the possibility of a trying season is very high. Things will get back to normal which will include 18 to 20 win seasons. How many additional game would we have won with Varner. One or two....maybe. I would say his method worked at the Mid-Con level. We unfortunately now play in the Horizon. In 4 years he will have squeaked out one winning season (on a team full of seniors) with 3 losing ones including back-to-back dreadful ones. This group is not going to suddenly win 15 more games in a season.
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Post by girlsbbfan on Jan 21, 2011 18:38:08 GMT -5
Not sure of the exact records but in 2001 7-22 and 2002 25-7. Largest turn around in the country in Division 1. 2002 post season NIT, 2003 and 2004 NCAA Tournaments, so it can be done!
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