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Post by kl31ny on Jan 23, 2011 16:43:31 GMT -5
Nice work, Milwaukee, on the season sweep of Butler.
Halfway through the conference season, here's your standings (head-to-head tiebreakers):
1 Valparaiso............. 7-2; 15-6
2 Cleveland State...... 7-2; 18-3
3 Wright State.......... 6-3; 13-8
4 Butler.................... 6-3; 14-7
5 Detroit................... 5-4; 11-10
6 Green Bay.............. 5-4; 11-10
7 Milwaukee.............. 5-5; 10-11
8 Loyola.................... 3-6; 12-8
9 Youngstown State... 1-8; 7-12
10 UIC...................... 0-8; 5-15
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Post by wh on Jan 23, 2011 21:02:28 GMT -5
If anyone is still feeling down after today's loss, venture over to the children's board. They're throwing everyone under the bus after today's loss - Stevens, all the players except Howard, and even the almighty Butler Way is taking some hits. It's good stuff...
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Post by okinawatyphoon on Jan 23, 2011 21:05:27 GMT -5
If anyone is still feeling down after today's loss, venture over to the children's board. They're throwing everyone under the bus after today's loss - Stevens, all the players except Howard, and even the almighty Butler Way is taking some hits. It's good stuff... I'll second this. It makes me not feel so bad about our loss. |
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Post by wh on Jan 23, 2011 21:57:04 GMT -5
As good as Butler has been since we joined the league, it's hard to imagine that anyone has swept them in a long long time. Does anyone happen to know who did it last and when?
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Post by kl31ny on Jan 23, 2011 22:07:04 GMT -5
As good as Butler has been since we joined the league, it's hard to imagine that anyone has swept them in a long long time. Does anyone happen to know who did it last and when? Butler was swept by Wright State, Cleveland State, and Milwaukee in the 2004-05 season. The Panther's regular season sweep was the most recent with a win on February 16, 2005. Pair of fun notes: Wright State went 3-for-3 thanks to a Horizon League Tournament win. Also, BU did beat Valpo 72-69 at Hinkle in a Bracket Buster game. |
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Post by vuweathernerd on Jan 23, 2011 22:21:49 GMT -5
If anyone is still feeling down after today's loss, venture over to the children's board. They're throwing everyone under the bus after today's loss - Stevens, all the players except Howard, and even the almighty Butler Way is taking some hits. It's good stuff... I'll second this. It makes me not feel so bad about our loss. and that's why i don't care for the majority of butler fans... |
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Post by dylanrocks on Jan 24, 2011 0:07:05 GMT -5
Hey guys, I'm back.
No, I'm not.
Yes, I am.
Hello. Goodbye. Hello. Goodbye. Hello. Goodbye.
Eighty-five points in wins and 45 points in losses.
Over. Under. Sideways. Down.
Spinnin' wheel got to go 'round.
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Post by agibson on Jan 24, 2011 4:47:19 GMT -5
If anyone is still feeling down after today's loss, venture over to the children's board. They're throwing everyone under the bus after today's loss - Stevens, all the players except Howard, and even the almighty Butler Way is taking some hits. It's good stuff... Even their beat writer is pretty low: blogs.indystar.com/butler/2011/01/23/what-now/He says, for example, "The way the Bulldogs have been playing, can anyone make a plausible case for them going 8-1 or 9-0 in the second half of the Horizon League schedule anyway? With road games coming up vs. Valparaiso, Youngstown State and Cleveland State, Butler would be hard-pressed to go 1-2 on that tour." Hard pressed to go 1-2! |
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Post by bbtds on Jan 24, 2011 9:15:18 GMT -5
If anyone is still feeling down after today's loss, venture over to the children's board. They're throwing everyone under the bus after today's loss - Stevens, all the players except Howard, and even the almighty Butler Way is taking some hits. It's good stuff... You weren't kidding. From Buddy (must have been after he walked out on Coach Dale and before he returned to the Hickory team): Brad Stevens' imprint on The Buter Way has been to totally abandon The Butler Way. It's astounding that he has the gall to bring this hyper-tempo, out of control, shoot the ball with 3 guys in your face and 28 seconds on the shot clock "tactic" to a program like Butler which has experienced success in the past only by doggedly mastering a style 180 degrees different from "The Stevens Way".
That's not Butler ball--that's not anything like The Butler Way. And, flukes aside, a team like Butler can never ultimately succeed using such a playground mindset. The fault is entirely Stevens'. His first season he rode the coattails of players who knew and executed The Way. Last season the players managed to eke out a string of a bazillion straight wins that got them to the NCAA final, but the coaching problems were apparent even as the Dawgs kept winning.
And now the amazingly poor fit of Stevens' system has finally become glaringly obvious to even the knuckle-dragging, apologist 'homers' because the team no longer manages to squeak by with the Houdini-like escapes of last year.
The Emperor Has No Clothes. A few of us Butler fans saw this starting a few years ago. But I, for one, shut up about it because with their incredible run, I thought I must be badly mistaken. I manned-up and realized that Stevens knows a hell of a lot more about hoops than I ever will and "must be doing something right".
I still realize that he knows much more about the game than I do; I also realize that he is running a style of basketball that is completely inappropriate for the Butler program. It can't succeed because BU doesn't have now, and will never get the blue-chip, flee-to-the-NBA-as-freshmen type of talent that makes that ugly style of anarchic playground showboating work.
Stevens is probably a good basketball coach--I don't have the knowledge to judge that--but he is NOT, and never has been, a good coach for Butler Basketball.
I think he's a good, basketball-savvy guy, and I hope finds success taking The Stevens Way to some big, storied program that can benefit from it. The sooner, the better. I think he may have forgotten that Stevens has a contract that has more than 10 years left and a BCS school would need to buy out the contract. Stevens is certainly not stupid! Butler may regret the length of his contract though. |
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Post by fwalum on Jan 24, 2011 11:43:11 GMT -5
If anyone is still feeling down after today's loss, venture over to the children's board. They're throwing everyone under the bus after today's loss - Stevens, all the players except Howard, and even the almighty Butler Way is taking some hits. It's good stuff... You weren't kidding. From Buddy (must have been after he walked out on Coach Dale and before he returned to the Hickory team): Brad Stevens' imprint on The Buter Way has been to totally abandon The Butler Way. It's astounding that he has the gall to bring this hyper-tempo, out of control, shoot the ball with 3 guys in your face and 28 seconds on the shot clock "tactic" to a program like Butler which has experienced success in the past only by doggedly mastering a style 180 degrees different from "The Stevens Way".
That's not Butler ball--that's not anything like The Butler Way. And, flukes aside, a team like Butler can never ultimately succeed using such a playground mindset. The fault is entirely Stevens'. His first season he rode the coattails of players who knew and executed The Way. Last season the players managed to eke out a string of a bazillion straight wins that got them to the NCAA final, but the coaching problems were apparent even as the Dawgs kept winning.
And now the amazingly poor fit of Stevens' system has finally become glaringly obvious to even the knuckle-dragging, apologist 'homers' because the team no longer manages to squeak by with the Houdini-like escapes of last year.
The Emperor Has No Clothes. A few of us Butler fans saw this starting a few years ago. But I, for one, shut up about it because with their incredible run, I thought I must be badly mistaken. I manned-up and realized that Stevens knows a hell of a lot more about hoops than I ever will and "must be doing something right".
I still realize that he knows much more about the game than I do; I also realize that he is running a style of basketball that is completely inappropriate for the Butler program. It can't succeed because BU doesn't have now, and will never get the blue-chip, flee-to-the-NBA-as-freshmen type of talent that makes that ugly style of anarchic playground showboating work.
Stevens is probably a good basketball coach--I don't have the knowledge to judge that--but he is NOT, and never has been, a good coach for Butler Basketball.
I think he's a good, basketball-savvy guy, and I hope finds success taking The Stevens Way to some big, storied program that can benefit from it. The sooner, the better. I think he may have forgotten that Stevens has a contract that has more than 10 years left and a BCS school would need to buy out the contract. Stevens is certainly not stupid! Butler may regret the length of his contract though. bbtds, all I can say is WOW! What idiots are running the asylum on the Butler board? If you don't have the knowledge to judge if Stevens is a good basketball coach then what makes you think you have the capability to determine that he is not, and never has been, a good coach for Butler Basketball??? A national runner-up banner and at least 62 other D1 coaches would probably beg to differ with your opinion. Buddy, I hope at least a couple of sane minded people on the Butler board are giving you a swift kick in the pants. |
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Post by dylanrocks on Jan 24, 2011 12:09:41 GMT -5
It amuses me that after 21 games people still don't realize that Milwaukee's performances are almost solely governed by Milwaukee.
This team is capable of beating Washington State and losing to Savannah State.
The Panthers average 45 points in their losses and 85 points in their victories, for Pete's sake.
Pass the Dramamine.
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Post by vu72 on Jan 24, 2011 13:51:33 GMT -5
It amuses me that after 21 games people still don't realize that Milwaukee's performances are almost solely governed by Milwaukee. This team is capable of beating Washington State and losing to Savannah State. The Panthers average 45 points in their losses and 85 points in their victories, for Pete's sake. Pass the Dramamine. I'm a believer!! Regardless of how much credit one might want to give to Valpo's defense, the difference in performance for Milwaukee over the last two games is simply astounding. One question: And this might fit into the blame Stevens side of things, but, if their coaches watched the Valpo game they would have seen, among other defensive stategies, our doubling down on Hill. I never saw it used by Butler and Hill was just to active to contain. He ate Butler's lunch. We've got our own problems and our depth is my primary concern. What happens if Erik gets into foul trouble? What if Cory does with kevin's limited time abilities? Things are going to get very interesting not just for Butler. |
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Post by dylanrocks on Jan 24, 2011 17:20:08 GMT -5
Great point, 72.
As much flak as Homer takes on some corners of this board, the man can coach.
Strange that a guy with the coaching chops of Brad Stevens elected to play things differently (although I'm quite certain that he was well-aware of Valpo's successful strategy).
I've now heard several times -- most recently from Joel Cornette on the HLN broadcast -- that Anthony Hill is Milwaukee's best player. No way! He's its third-best, after Tony Meier and Kaylon Williams.
By the way, what a gutsy performance yesterday by top gun Tony Meier, who was seen several times yakking on the sideline. (Do they still call it yakking?)
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Post by wh on Jan 24, 2011 17:57:59 GMT -5
Great point, 72. As much flak as Homer takes on some corners of this board, the man can coach. Strange that a guy with the coaching chops of Brad Stevens elected to play things differently (although I'm quite certain that he was well-aware of Valpo's successful strategy). I've now heard several times -- most recently from Joel Cornette on the HLN broadcast -- that Anthony Hill is Milwaukee's best player. No way! He's its third-best, after Tony Meier and Kaylon Williams. By the way, what a gutsy performance yesterday by top gun Tony Meier, who was seen several times yakking on the sideline. (Do they still call it yakking?) After we scored 103 points on Oakland and Brandon and Cory scored almost 70 points between them, someone asked Greg Kampe why they didn't try double teaming them. He said that's not what they do - that his players should be athletic enough to guard people one-on-one. Maybe Stevens shares the same philosophy - I'm not sure. I do know one thing - after Brandon went nuts on Purdue in the first half for something like 17 points, even they doubled on him in the 2nd half. That's the only way they could get control of the game. Proverbs 16:18 |
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Post by gopanthers33 on Jan 24, 2011 18:00:01 GMT -5
Was so happy to see Milwaukee sweep Butler! We could easily make noise in the Horizon League Tourney  or bow out in the 1st round  It really has been a rollercoaster year  |
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or bow out in the 1st round 
