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Post by 78crusader on Feb 13, 2011 16:07:02 GMT -5
So maybe I'm not the only one on this board who thinks winning the regular season championship would be more significant than winning the league tournament? I feel this way for two reasons. One has already been pointed out -- this would be our first Horizon League championship, and in the league's signature sport. Second, since the league is so balanced this year, winning a race that spans 18 games would be a terrific accomplishment. Paul
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Post by drewsaders11 on Feb 13, 2011 16:11:21 GMT -5
So maybe I'm not the only one on this board who thinks winning the regular season championship would be more significant than winning the league tournament? I feel this way for two reasons. One has already been pointed out -- this would be our first Horizon League championship, and in the league's signature sport. Second, since the league is so balanced this year, winning a race that spans 18 games would be a terrific accomplishment. Paul I feel that winning a regular season championship should always have more meaning than the tournament, due to the fact that it spans a longer time than one week, and is a sign of spread out greatness. However, with the way the system is, we have to win the tournament, which will ultimately have slightly more meaning because it will get us to the Big Dance. Anyways, I think winning the regular season is a better accomplishment and more intrinsically gratifying, but winning the tournament gets us to the Dance, which is the goal of any season.
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Post by pgmado on Feb 13, 2011 21:37:39 GMT -5
Winning the regular season title means more in the Horizon League than it ever did in the 2000's during the Mid-Con. The reason: hosting the conference tournament. Valparaiso has proven it can win at home against Cleveland State and Butler this season; but not on the road.
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Post by stlvufan on Feb 13, 2011 21:39:20 GMT -5
Winning the regular season title means more in the Horizon League than it ever did in the 2000's during the Mid-Con. The reason: hosting the conference tournament. Valparaiso has proven it can win at home against Cleveland State and Butler this season; but not on the road. He shoots, he scores! Winning the conference tourney practically doesn't happen *unless* you win the regular season. The question is kind of out of order in the HL.
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Post by crusaderjoe on Feb 13, 2011 21:45:36 GMT -5
Winning the regular season title means more in the Horizon League than it ever did in the 2000's during the Mid-Con. The reason: hosting the conference tournament. Valparaiso has proven it can win at home against Cleveland State and Butler this season; but not on the road. He shoots, he scores! Winning the conference tourney practically doesn't happen *unless* you win the regular season. The question is kind of out of order in the HL. Cleveland State disagrees with you.
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Post by stlvufan on Feb 13, 2011 22:57:24 GMT -5
He shoots, he scores! Winning the conference tourney practically doesn't happen *unless* you win the regular season. The question is kind of out of order in the HL. Cleveland State disagrees with you. I didn't say "always". I said, "practically". When's the last time someone other than the 1 seed has won the tournament (other than 2009)?
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Post by valpofan56 on Feb 13, 2011 23:50:56 GMT -5
Cleveland State disagrees with you. I didn't say "always". I said, "practically". When's the last time someone other than the 1 seed has won the tournament (other than 2009)? The 2004 and 2003 tournaments (first 2 years in the current format) were won by 2 seeds. Also interesting is that since the switch to the current format, only twice (2005 & 2009) has the championship not been 1 vs. 2 (and both times it was 1 vs. 3). Horizon League Tournament History
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Post by milanmiracle on Feb 14, 2011 10:28:09 GMT -5
I think most people know my thoughts on this so I'll try to keep it breif...I'll finish last in the conference and trade it for a tournament birth any day, every day. It's how coaches are judged, it's how programs are judged, and it's how recruits judge you.
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Post by rlh on Feb 14, 2011 11:09:51 GMT -5
Win Wednesday and the fat lady starts humming......
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Post by stlvufan on Feb 14, 2011 11:32:24 GMT -5
I didn't say "always". I said, "practically". When's the last time someone other than the 1 seed has won the tournament (other than 2009)? The 2004 and 2003 tournaments (first 2 years in the current format) were won by 2 seeds. Also interesting is that since the switch to the current format, only twice (2005 & 2009) has the championship not been 1 vs. 2 (and both times it was 1 vs. 3). Horizon League Tournament HistoryIndeed. That's kind of a long time, which was my point. 2009 was kind of the exception, rather than the rule.
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Post by stlvufan on Feb 14, 2011 11:34:58 GMT -5
I think most people know my thoughts on this so I'll try to keep it breif...I'll finish last in the conference and trade it for a tournament birth any day, every day. It's how coaches are judged, it's how programs are judged, and it's how recruits judge you. For me, the question is the wrong one. The regular season title comes first, and is a bridge to the auto-bid. I want both, and I can't pick a preference between the two. Full stop.
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Post by milanmiracle on Feb 14, 2011 13:44:40 GMT -5
I think most people know my thoughts on this so I'll try to keep it breif...I'll finish last in the conference and trade it for a tournament birth any day, every day. It's how coaches are judged, it's how programs are judged, and it's how recruits judge you. For me, the question is the wrong one. The regular season title comes first, and is a bridge to the auto-bid. I want both, and I can't pick a preference between the two. Full stop. Here's my point...who won the CAA last year? The only teams that care about the regular season title are the teams in their "conference". And what is a conference really? It's just a bunch of teams getting together to make scheduling easier and to gain the NCAA's automatic qualifier. It's why the Summit League makes a concerted effort to stay eligible for that auto bid. If the auto bid wasn't important, then why bother? Also, what's the value of having your name on the "brackets" that every man, woman, and child sees at tourney time. I don't think they're handing out sheets showing "regular season champs" now do you? One other note, I think that the regular season champ should be rewarded with the automatic bid, but then nobody would care who won the Horizon League tournament and the money would go away.
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Post by rlh on Feb 14, 2011 14:09:48 GMT -5
For me, the question is the wrong one. The regular season title comes first, and is a bridge to the auto-bid. I want both, and I can't pick a preference between the two. Full stop. Here's my point...who won the CAA last year? The only teams that care about the regular season title are the teams in their "conference". And what is a conference really? It's just a bunch of teams getting together to make scheduling easier and to gain the NCAA's automatic qualifier. It's why the Summit League makes a concerted effort to stay eligible for that auto bid. If the auto bid wasn't important, then why bother? Also, what's the value of having your name on the "brackets" that every man, woman, and child sees at tourney time. I don't think they're handing out sheets showing "regular season champs" now do you? One other note, I think that the regular season champ should be rewarded with the automatic bid, but then nobody would care who won the Horizon League tournament and the money would go away. That was the thinking behind the regular season champion getting the NIT if they lost in their conference tournament. It's not perfect, but at least you get something.
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Post by blackpantheruwm on Feb 14, 2011 14:26:35 GMT -5
He shoots, he scores! Winning the conference tourney practically doesn't happen *unless* you win the regular season. The question is kind of out of order in the HL. Cleveland State disagrees with you. As does UIC
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Post by blackpantheruwm on Feb 14, 2011 14:28:56 GMT -5
Also, the 2002-03 season marked the last year of the old format, where there was a rotating host every year. Milwaukee lucked into hosting the tournament as a 2 seed, and crushed Butler (#1) in the title game that year. Of course, we crush Butler whenever we meet in the title game.
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