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Post by valpo04 on Feb 27, 2011 16:06:00 GMT -5
The HL Tourney starts on Tuesday... who do you think wins it all?
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Post by milanmiracle on Feb 27, 2011 19:48:00 GMT -5
Butler vs. Milwaukee for the championship. Butler wins leaving the Horizon League with just one NCAA bid.
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Post by eguins on Feb 27, 2011 23:00:03 GMT -5
Detroit wins the HL Title...
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Post by blackpantheruwm on Feb 28, 2011 3:20:25 GMT -5
For the record, Butler vs. Milwaukee at the Cell in the Championship has happened twice before.
Milwaukee won both games; in 2003 by 17 and 2006 by 16.
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Post by CO_VU_Fan on Feb 28, 2011 10:36:22 GMT -5
11 conference wins in a row will be tough for Milwaukee to accomplish. I'm guessing Butler, but hoping for a VU berth in the NCAA tournament!
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Post by jerome1 on Feb 28, 2011 13:41:43 GMT -5
11 conference wins in a row will be tough for Milwaukee to accomplish. I'm guessing Butler, but hoping for a VU berth in the NCAA tournament! Butler had 18 conference wins in a row last season. And that continued into this year. Why is 11 conference wins in a row so difficult for Milwaukee to do while it was not that difficult for Butler? |
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Post by stlvufan on Feb 28, 2011 14:12:10 GMT -5
11 conference wins in a row will be tough for Milwaukee to accomplish. I'm guessing Butler, but hoping for a VU berth in the NCAA tournament! Butler had 18 conference wins in a row last season. And that continued into this year. Why is 11 conference wins in a row so difficult for Milwaukee to do while it was not that difficult for Butler? I quibble with the notion that it was "not that difficult" for Butler last year. Detroit and Loyola, just to name a couple, might beg to differ with that description. |
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Post by jerome1 on Feb 28, 2011 14:54:15 GMT -5
For Butler to win 11 conference games in a row was not that difficult. Do you remember anyone almost beating them in their first 11 conference games last year? Valpo lost by 17 at Hinkle. I seem to remember Valpo lost by 5 at the ARC and Hayward didn't play. I did not say that it was not difficult for Butler to win 18 games in a row. I just don't understand why 11 in a row is harder for Milwaukee to win in 2010-11 then it was for Butler in 2009-10.
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Post by jerome1 on Feb 28, 2011 15:09:05 GMT -5
I looked it up. Butler beat Detroit by 2 in OT at Callihan and beat Loyola by 1 at the Gentile. The Bulldogs lost won (ooops, typo)by 5 to Detroit at Hinkle. I would say that the taller players of Detroit (Holman and Xavier Keeling) were the reasons Detroit played so well and Loyola caught Butler on one of their bad days and still lost on the Ramblers home court.
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Post by stlvufan on Feb 28, 2011 15:12:18 GMT -5
For Butler to win 11 conference games in a row was not that difficult. Do you remember anyone almost beating them in their first 11 conference games last year? Valpo lost by 17 at Hinkle. I seem to remember Valpo lost by 5 at the ARC and Hayward didn't play. I did not say that it was not difficult for Butler to win 18 games in a row. I just don't understand why 11 in a row is harder for Milwaukee to win in 2010-11 then it was for Butler in 2009-10. Loyola was in their first 11 games, and only a lucky bounce kept the Bulldogs from losing that game. Detroit was in their first 11 games and Howard got away with a moving screen while Hayward went to the line for FTs to seal a 64-62 win at Calihan Hall. |
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Post by jerome1 on Feb 28, 2011 15:21:02 GMT -5
For Butler to win 11 conference games in a row was not that difficult. Do you remember anyone almost beating them in their first 11 conference games last year? Valpo lost by 17 at Hinkle. I seem to remember Valpo lost by 5 at the ARC and Hayward didn't play. I did not say that it was not difficult for Butler to win 18 games in a row. I just don't understand why 11 in a row is harder for Milwaukee to win in 2010-11 then it was for Butler in 2009-10. Loyola was in their first 11 games, and only a lucky bounce kept the Bulldogs from losing that game. Detroit was in their first 11 games and Howard got away with a moving screen while Hayward went to the line for FTs to seal a 64-62 win at Calihan Hall. And Milwaukee didn't get lucky against Valpo by beating them by 3 when Mike Rodgers had the game in his hands and missed two easy lay ups? Every team that goes on winning streaks gets lucky in some games. Why can't Milwaukee win 11 games in a row? I don't see where you proved my point wrong (and I've seen you use that phrase plenty of times). |
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Post by rlh on Feb 28, 2011 16:02:08 GMT -5
As much as I admire how Milwaukee has played the second half of the season, I would be shocked if they win the tournament. I just don't think they have the firepower to hold off Butler when it counts in the championship, if they can get there....just my opinion and not worth all that much, but we'll see. As the man says, that's why they play the game......
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Post by milanmiracle on Feb 28, 2011 16:32:09 GMT -5
As much as I admire how Milwaukee has played the second half of the season, I would be shocked if they win the tournament. I just don't think they have the firepower to hold off Butler when it counts in the championship, if they can get there....just my opinion and not worth all that much, but we'll see. As the man says, that's why they play the game...... I've got to agree with you here. I just think in a head to head game with the NCAA's on the line, Butler's the better team, or at the very least a team that's more familiar with success in that situation. |
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Post by CO_VU_Fan on Feb 28, 2011 16:50:12 GMT -5
11 conference wins in a row will be tough for Milwaukee to accomplish. I'm guessing Butler, but hoping for a VU berth in the NCAA tournament! Butler had 18 conference wins in a row last season. And that continued into this year. Why is 11 conference wins in a row so difficult for Milwaukee to do while it was not that difficult for Butler? I don't think last years Butler team and this years Milwaukee team are comparable. Butler was above all of the Horizon League last year in their run to National Runnerup. I don't think the 18 wins last year were easy, by any stretch. Was Butler better - yes. Was it easy - no. Just using seedings, Milwaukee would need to beat Butler a third time this year, and most likely VU a second time or Detroit a third time this year. None of these options would be easy by any stretch of the imagination. Could Milwaukee do it - yes. Do I think they will win two more conference games, even on their floor - no. |
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Post by stlvufan on Feb 28, 2011 16:56:58 GMT -5
Loyola was in their first 11 games, and only a lucky bounce kept the Bulldogs from losing that game. Detroit was in their first 11 games and Howard got away with a moving screen while Hayward went to the line for FTs to seal a 64-62 win at Calihan Hall. And Milwaukee didn't get lucky against Valpo by beating them by 3 when Mike Rodgers had the game in his hands and missed two easy lay ups? Every team that goes on winning streaks gets lucky in some games. Why can't Milwaukee win 11 games in a row? I don't see where you proved my point wrong (and I've seen you use that phrase plenty of times). I never said Milwaukee can't win 11 games in a row. That was someone else. I merely took issue with your statement that Butler's 18 game winning streak last year was "not that difficult". And I think I've proved my point, though I could also throw in Detroit's return game at Hinkle, which they lost 63-58. Butler's 18-0 run can hardly be called a piece of cake or "not that hard". It was extremely hard. That's what made it so special. |
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