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Post by rlh on Sept 27, 2010 14:28:36 GMT -5
Just another example of the Wright State "we're better than the rest of you mentality." Arguing with them is useless...so just let it go....it IS good for us, and it would be good for them, but as long as they see themselves as better than us and everyone else in the Horizon except maybe Butler it's a useless argument.
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Post by vu72 on Sept 27, 2010 15:33:16 GMT -5
Could you please try again. You haven't provided a single example of NATIONAL EXPOSURE. You provided a few regional articles for the Washington area. The University of Washington is going to get regional coverage for any of their games. I'm sure you can find a handful of articles in Indiana papers that provided regional coverage for Valpo fans too. Sorry, that isn't National Exposure. It's regional coverage. The other couple of links you provided were of the AP press release for the game. It was published online only. Like I said earlier, the story wasn't carried in USA Today. I don't even know if they ran a box score of the game. And none of the highlights were carried on any of the sports channels, except maybe your local news and Washington's local news. You guys are making the argument that WSU hurt the conference by not playing in the CBI because it cost the HL "National exposure." Sorry, but an AP press release is not national exposure. The National Media was covering the NIT the night you beat Washington. The highlights on sportscenter included Cal beating New Mexico, Florida beating San Diego St, Miss beating USCB, Nebraska beating Charlotte, Illinois St beating Utah St, UAB beating VCU, VTech beating Morgan St, and Dayton beating Cleveland St. When they weren't covering those games they were talking about the upcoming NCAA games. The CBI got no coverage whatsoever. Well, let me define national exposure. It it is on the AP then it is national exposure. Not only did we gain newspaper exposure in Seattle but also in Houston. In scanning the web stories on the game I was amazed as to the sites where it gained some interest. Perhaps you have hit on the difference in why Valpo would want to play and Wright State wouldn't. It is "national" exposure". I'll define it as news outside of our regional news coverage. Why would we care about so little coverage? For one thing, Valpo draws students from every state and over 50 foreign countires. Washington State and Texas potential students, plus alumni, get the news and it might make a difference. My guess is the WSU draws virtually all their students from the Ohio-Kentucky-Southern Indiana area. If I'm correct, it doesn't make sense to try to play a game in Washington or Texas. For us, it just might.
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Post by zvillehaze on Sept 27, 2010 16:57:03 GMT -5
Just another example of the Wright State "we're better than the rest of you mentality." Arguing with them is useless...so just let it go....it IS good for us, and it would be good for them, but as long as they see themselves as better than us and everyone else in the Horizon except maybe Butler it's a useless argument. You guys have explained why you think it was great for Valpo to participate in the CBI and Big D has expliained why (in his opinion) that WSU decided to pass on the opportunity. I hope the HL continues to stay out of this and allow individual schools decide what is best for their programs. I fully understand what WSU did last spring. Their coach was on his way out the door, several players were heading out the door and the handful of guys who would be returning this year (Duggins, Evans, Tabler) weren't really going to benefit greatly from playing another game or two. I don't blame them at all for the decision they made. In fairness to Big D, he didn't come here and tell Valpo how they should be running their program ... he was merely defending his program when Valpo/UWM fans started opining on how WSU should run their's.
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Post by stlvufan on Sept 27, 2010 17:20:59 GMT -5
Fine. Why not play a road game, then, like we did? I never hounded your ass for refusing to host a CBI game, as I remember how much of a burden that would have been for Valpo. But the original poke was not about refusing to host. It was about refusing to participate. March 17, 2008 Recently, WSU was polled by the CBI to measure interest and told the school it would have to guarantee a $60,000 gate to host a game. Wright State said it would be glad to play, but wouldn't host a game. www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/college/wsu/2008/03/17/ddn031708wsubbweb.htmlOK, fair enough. That implies that the CBI only wanted you if you were willing to host. If that's the case, then I completely understand your position. Interesting that apparently they didn't have the same caveat with Valpo.
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Post by stlvufan on Sept 27, 2010 17:21:47 GMT -5
Just another example of the Wright State "we're better than the rest of you mentality." Arguing with them is useless...so just let it go....it IS good for us, and it would be good for them, but as long as they see themselves as better than us and everyone else in the Horizon except maybe Butler it's a useless argument. You guys have explained why you think it was great for Valpo to participate in the CBI and Big D has expliained why (in his opinion) that WSU decided to pass on the opportunity. I hope the HL continues to stay out of this and allow individual schools decide what is best for their programs. I fully understand what WSU did last spring. Their coach was on his way out the door, several players were heading out the door and the handful of guys who would be returning this year (Duggins, Evans, Tabler) weren't really going to benefit greatly from playing another game or two. I don't blame them at all for the decision they made. In fairness to Big D, he didn't come here and tell Valpo how they should be running their program ... he was merely defending his program when Valpo/UWM fans started opining on how WSU should run their's. Fair point.
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Post by blackpantheruwm on Oct 1, 2010 13:05:11 GMT -5
The AP isn't national exposure; the AP is at nearly every single basketball game. When Milwaukee plays D-III MSOE, the AP has a release. Is that national exposure?
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Post by rlh on Oct 1, 2010 16:07:54 GMT -5
Yes it is....but then that's not really the point is it?
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Post by milanmiracle on Oct 13, 2010 14:59:07 GMT -5
The AP isn't national exposure; the AP is at nearly every single basketball game. When Milwaukee plays D-III MSOE, the AP has a release. Is that national exposure? If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound? If Valpo plays Washington and beats them, but nobody is watching it except a few die hards, does it really matter? I think it's a good thing that Valpo beat Washington, and yes, it was the best win of the season. However, since it happened during March Madness, the impact of that win was almost completely lost as far as improving the status of Valpo basketball. Now, had that same thing happened in November...
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Post by jerome1 on Feb 23, 2011 9:58:53 GMT -5
www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/wright-state-university-raiders/raiders-wont-play-in-cbi-cit-1088324.html?cxtype=rss_wsu Here is a story on Wright State not accepting any bids to the CollegeInsider or CBI tournaments. Coach Donlon points to the Raiders' injuries and the cost of playing in those tournaments. One thing Donlon says is that he is not ruling out the CollegeInsider or CBI tournaments in the future---just not this year. “It’s not a no forever to those tournaments,” Donlon said. “To say it’s been a banged-up season for us is an understatement.” Asked recently about whether he advised his conference’s schools on whether to play in the CBI and CIT, Horizon League Commissioner Jon LeCrone said he leaves it up to the schools. “I have one message for them: Do what’s right, and we’ll support you,” LeCrone said. “... I’ve told many schools the same thing. Their situations are all different.”
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Post by rlh on Feb 23, 2011 10:21:19 GMT -5
Personally, I think the more games you get the play the better, and i think the players would agree. If it costs your school more than you can afford, then that's another quesiton, but each has to deal with that on it's own. i think you'll find that most of the HL schools would accept bids to either tournament gladly.
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Post by roadtrip on Feb 23, 2011 10:35:14 GMT -5
I think that injuries to our seniors have made the CBI and the CIT a non issue. Duggins plays in pain every game and does not practice with the team at all. He has had this fracture in his back since Thanksgiving. Cooper land has missed 7 games with a badly bruised knee and is still limited in playing time. Troy Tabler has a broken finger on his shooting hand and has missed 10 or 11 games. N'Gai Evans has missed the first 3 games this season and has had lingering injuries as well lately. Our freshman starter Cole Darling went down with an ankle injury against Hofstra and hasn't practiced since. So as you can see we are pretty beat up and it is a credit to coach Donlon that we are doing as well as we have been this season. The odds of us getting to play in the NCAA and/or the NIT are pretty steep so we are limping along as best as possible. So whatever our coaches and players decide to do post season is okay with me. I have seen their struggles with injuries all season!!
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Post by blackpantheruwm on Feb 28, 2011 3:23:16 GMT -5
I think it's sad that Duggins' senior season could come to a close without the chance to win a postseason tournament.
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Post by roadtrip on Feb 28, 2011 7:59:12 GMT -5
Vaughn Duggins did play in the NCAA tourney in Buffalo when he was a freshman and DaShaun Wood was a senior. Vaughn has started every year he has been at Wright State.
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Post by blackpantheruwm on Mar 1, 2011 11:55:06 GMT -5
I know he did; I was there for the big "We've got Wood and VD" train that ran all the way to the NCAA Tournament.
I cheered for WSU in that title game. I just wish his sophomore-senior seasons weren't marked by the inability to play in a postseason tournament and, as I said, a chance to WIN it, because of campus politics.
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Post by roadtrip on Mar 1, 2011 15:59:30 GMT -5
This year it involves more than campus politics. No team in the HL has been hit harder with injuries than the Raiders as I have stated in a previous post. I believe that is the main reason for not accepting a bid to the CIT or the CBI. These tourneys are just not worth the chance of making existing injuries much worse. The average fan can't tell you who played in them let alone tell you who won games in both. I fully understand why the Raiders won't accept a bid to either.
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