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Post by wh on Jan 6, 2011 15:55:06 GMT -5
Despite our loss last Saturday at Butler, I'm sure the team is still striving to get one of the top 2 seeds in the conf. tournament. Toward that end, it seems that it would be in our best interest that both Butler and we beat CSU at home over the weekend. Thoughts?
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Post by wh on Jan 6, 2011 16:31:06 GMT -5
A brief clarification -
Obviously it is in our best interest to beat Cleveland State. What I'm really wondering is if it is in our best interest that Butler ALSO beat Cleveland State.
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Post by valpofan56 on Jan 6, 2011 17:00:53 GMT -5
A brief clarification - Obviously it is in our best interest to beat Cleveland State. What I'm really wondering is if it is in our best interest that Butler ALSO beat Cleveland State. Yes it is. If we both beat CSU and all three teams take care of their other conference games, then we would have a chance to play Butler at the ARC with first place in the HL on the line. Let's not get ahead of ourselves though . . . ;D |
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Post by stlvufan on Jan 6, 2011 17:03:10 GMT -5
A brief clarification - Obviously it is in our best interest to beat Cleveland State. What I'm really wondering is if it is in our best interest that Butler ALSO beat Cleveland State. CSU is in first, Butler is tied for second. According to my simple rule in these matters, I root for Butler. If I think that CSU is a mirage, I guess I might deviate. The problem is, if they go in to Hinkle and beat Butler, that's one heck of a mirage  |
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Post by vu72 on Jan 6, 2011 17:20:35 GMT -5
I think we should root for Butler to win at home as it is early and everyone needs to still go to CSU. We don't want someone to get out in front of us to far and both Butler and CSU will be very tough to beat even at home. Butler has a road loss and so do we. We need to beat for CSU for them to have 2 road losses early and have to hold serve at home.
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Post by justducky on Jan 6, 2011 17:43:07 GMT -5
Despite our loss last Saturday at Butler, I'm sure the team is still striving to get one of the top 2 seeds in the conf. tournament. Toward that end, it seems that it would be in our best interest that both Butler and we beat CSU at home over the weekend. Thoughts? [/q ote]Since a ncaa at large bid is out of the question, jockeying for tournament position is all important. I like our position and believe a 3 seed is every bit as good as the 2 and in some ways better. Look for multiple losses by both CSU and Butler in a very competitive conference battle. I think we can hold the 3 seed with the 6 losses I predicted in October. I really don't care what happens in Indianapolis, as long as it takes at least 6 overtimes. JSU is not in my 6 loss projection so that is the only thing I am now concerned with. |
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Post by valpofan56 on Jan 6, 2011 18:19:26 GMT -5
Despite our loss last Saturday at Butler, I'm sure the team is still striving to get one of the top 2 seeds in the conf. tournament. Toward that end, it seems that it would be in our best interest that both Butler and we beat CSU at home over the weekend. Thoughts? [/q ote]Since a ncaa at large bid is out of the question, jockeying for tournament position is all important. I like our position and believe a 3 seed is every bit as good as the 2 and in some ways better. Look for multiple losses by both CSU and Butler in a very competitive conference battle. I think we can hold the 3 seed with the 6 losses I predicted in October. I really don't care what happens in Indianapolis, as long as it takes at least 6 overtimes. JSU is not in my 6 loss projection so that is the only thing I am now concerned with. WHAT?! How is a 3 seed every bit as good as a 2 seed. Why would it be better to have to win 4 games vs. just 2 games? That makes absolutely no sense! |
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Post by stlvufan on Jan 6, 2011 20:50:40 GMT -5
Despite our loss last Saturday at Butler, I'm sure the team is still striving to get one of the top 2 seeds in the conf. tournament. Toward that end, it seems that it would be in our best interest that both Butler and we beat CSU at home over the weekend. Thoughts? [/q ote]Since a ncaa at large bid is out of the question, jockeying for tournament position is all important. I like our position and believe a 3 seed is every bit as good as the 2 and in some ways better. Look for multiple losses by both CSU and Butler in a very competitive conference battle. I think we can hold the 3 seed with the 6 losses I predicted in October. I really don't care what happens in Indianapolis, as long as it takes at least 6 overtimes. JSU is not in my 6 loss projection so that is the only thing I am now concerned with. WHAT?! How is a 3 seed every bit as good as a 2 seed. Why would it be better to have to win 4 games vs. just 2 games? That makes absolutely no sense! It's a good question, but actually the 3 seed is guaranteed something the 2 seed is not: home court for 1 game. |
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Post by valpofan56 on Jan 6, 2011 23:02:49 GMT -5
WHAT?! How is a 3 seed every bit as good as a 2 seed. Why would it be better to have to win 4 games vs. just 2 games? That makes absolutely no sense! It's a good question, but actually the 3 seed is guaranteed something the 2 seed is not: home court for 1 game. The home first round game is a nice little money maker but, the hard part of being the 3 seed is winning two games in two days away from home (the last of which being against the 2 seed). No thanks. I'd rather play one game on a neutral court to get to the championship than one game at home and 2 on a neutral court. |
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Post by agibson on Jan 7, 2011 5:44:47 GMT -5
Naively, I'd say that the third seed has a certain appeal. You get a home game against very weak opposition, and another game against fairly weak opposition. You come into the semi-final with recent game experience, and I assume against the second place team, etc.
But, the third place team has only won, what, once? In the history of this format?
As for Butler or CSU - it's a tough call. If we accept that one of them's going to run away with the league, and that we're playing for second, I guess you'd like that team to win. Except that it's still not entirely clear how good CSU is. So, is that runaway team CSU or Butler?
If everyone's going to beat up on each other, and it's going to be a tight race for e.g. 1-2-3, then maybe we'd like them to balance out losses. And, perhaps, Valpo could even compete for first.
I'm quite torn, too!
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Post by rlh on Jan 7, 2011 9:53:55 GMT -5
You win every game you can....and let the chips fall where they may...simple....
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Post by valpofan56 on Jan 7, 2011 11:11:31 GMT -5
You win every game you can....and let the chips fall where they may...simple.... Obviously.  That doesn't mean you can't discuss the pros and cons of certain tournament seeds. It's like you are worried that the Valpo players are going to be on here reading this and then if they get the third seed later in the year say to themselves, "Oh wow, that valpofan56 guy said it's really hard to win the tournment as a 3 seed, guess we shouldn't try." Give me a break. |
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Post by sanitylost17 on Jan 7, 2011 11:42:28 GMT -5
You also have to consider who we want to host the tournament if we end up being the #2,3,4 seed. Would you rather travel to Cleveland or to Indy? Personally, I would rather go to Indy. So for now I guess I am hoping that Butler beats Cleveland State tonight.
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Post by dylanrocks on Jan 7, 2011 11:44:19 GMT -5
No conundrum at all, really.
As long as you accept the premise that you can beat any league member at the ARC, you unequivocally want Butler to win tonight.
A Butler victory accomplishes two things: 1, It keeps the league race wide-open for the top six teams in the league (everyone with two or fewer losses); and 2, it keeps alive the prospects of the league landing two at-large teams into the NCAAs (Butler can likely only afford losses at Valpo and at Cleveland State or its at-large chances are in serious jeopardy).
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Post by rlh on Jan 7, 2011 14:53:48 GMT -5
you have no control on what others do...certainly there are teams you'd rather play, and you'd rather host than travel if it comes to that....but the simple answer is to win....win the league if you can and you host everything....worrying about the rest doesn't matter at this point in the season.....I'm still looking for winning the league, why aren't you?...doesn't mean I think we will or don't have favorites as to who I'd like to see us play....you're way to sensitive '56....Nothing I said indicates I don't have preferences, I just perfer to worry about what we do not others....the rest takes care of itself
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That doesn't mean you can't discuss the pros and cons of certain tournament seeds. It's like you are worried that the Valpo players are going to be on here reading this and then if they get the third seed later in the year say to themselves, "Oh wow, that valpofan56 guy said it's really hard to win the tournment as a 3 seed, guess we shouldn't try." Give me a break.