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Post by agibson on Feb 6, 2011 16:43:28 GMT -5
Only 2200 in attendance? Guess I would've expected more after their thrilling victory over Butler. If there were 2200 at that game, then 2000 had to be on the same side as the TV camera, and thus out of sight.. because the side the camera saw was pitifully empty. Yeah, the bottom bowl looked pretty empty.
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Post by agibson on Feb 6, 2011 16:58:23 GMT -5
Wow, we really smashed them on the boards. +13? Man. With both teams shooting about equally well.
YSU only managed an 11% offensive rebounding percentage.
Some other random comments typed while watching: Even (especially?) before regulation ended, thinking "What a horrible, horrible, game. Win or lose, what a horrible game."
I guess it shows that they've dropped... 11 in a row to Valpo? And haven't beat Valpo in... 11 years? When they hit the buzzer beater to force overtime they, especially the play-by-play guy, acted like it was a huge victory. "stuns the crusaders".... into OT.
And this was the 10th straight OT game that they've lost?
I'd been thinking that all the FT talk around has been overblown. But, we're bad, oh... we're bad.
How'd YSU get two possession arrows in a row? Does it reset with the tip in OT? Except for Harris, subbed for FT's with 11s to go, we didn't substitute at all in OT.
It was OT assisted, but, double double for Rowdy! Second in a row, second in the season for Valpo!
This game's going to boost Brandon's conference scoring average by... what, a point and a half?
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Post by vuweathernerd on Feb 6, 2011 17:10:25 GMT -5
nah, it'll just make up for the lack of scoring from thursday
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Post by bbtds on Feb 7, 2011 10:03:13 GMT -5
I'd been thinking that all the FT talk around has been overblown. But, we're bad, oh... we're bad. You really want an opponent fouling Erik Buggs with the game score as close as it was Saturday against YSU and Erik shooting FT's more often? If Slocum had figured this out Valpo could have lost this game. Slocum may have been more worried about who should foul Buggs with the fouls mounting on his players but I really believe if Slocum had scouted better he would have told his players to foul Buggs every time Valpo had the ball late in the game.
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Post by stlvufan on Feb 7, 2011 10:54:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I've been meaning to point out to the folks here who suggested they foul Buggs every single time he touched the ball:
They would have been playing 4 on 5 by the end of the game and they would have lost big time.
Down the stretch, yes. All game? Get real.
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Post by bbtds on Feb 7, 2011 11:04:11 GMT -5
I'd been thinking that all the FT talk around has been overblown. But, we're bad, oh... we're bad. You really want an opponent fouling Erik Buggs with the game score as close as it was Saturday against YSU and Erik shooting FT's more often? If Slocum had figured this out Valpo could have lost this game. Slocum may have been more worried about who should foul Buggs with the fouls mounting on his players but I really believe if Slocum had scouted better he would have told his players to foul Buggs every time Valpo had the ball late in the game. You'll see I pointed out that YSU should have fouled Buggs "late in the game" not "every single time he touched the ball." I don't remember anyone saying Buggs should have been fouled every possesion (if YSU had been smart).
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Post by stlvufan on Feb 7, 2011 13:13:56 GMT -5
You really want an opponent fouling Erik Buggs with the game score as close as it was Saturday against YSU and Erik shooting FT's more often? If Slocum had figured this out Valpo could have lost this game. Slocum may have been more worried about who should foul Buggs with the fouls mounting on his players but I really believe if Slocum had scouted better he would have told his players to foul Buggs every time Valpo had the ball late in the game. You'll see I pointed out that YSU should have fouled Buggs "late in the game" not "every single time he touched the ball." I don't remember anyone saying Buggs should have been fouled every possesion (if YSU had been smart). I didn't say you did. I said a few people did. Maybe they said it in the chat room, I don't know.
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Post by agibson on Feb 7, 2011 14:30:59 GMT -5
You'll see I pointed out that YSU should have fouled Buggs "late in the game" not "every single time he touched the ball." I don't remember anyone saying Buggs should have been fouled every possesion (if YSU had been smart). I think someone did suggest that, I assumed in jest. Wasn't me - not sure how my quote got dragged into it. I was just finally joining the crowd who's been pointing out that Valpo's really bad at FT's this season. But, that said, I _have_ also wondered if "just foul Buggs all the time" would be a winning strategy. I suppose it's not viable. But, what, a couple of walk-ons, a bench warmer or project, etc? They could probably use up twenty possessions for less than twenty points. Not too bad. I am joking... mostly! But, I do sort of wonder.
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Post by nkvu on Feb 7, 2011 15:49:24 GMT -5
Out of 335 D1 teams Valpo is 233rd (66%). Alabama State is dead last at 55%. Yep. Bottom third I hope nobody realizes that if they just foul Buggs every time he crosses mid court to make him shoot free throws, they would have a winning strategy. Of course, he's so quick he might be hard to catch I definitely said this jokingly. Still, as agibson said, a couple of walk ons, a project or two, 15 - 20 fouls to give and you could rotate your regulars back in to play offense during the free throw stoppage. If you know you're out manned anyway and likely to lose, what the heck. Instead of a "Hack a Shack" strategy you could call it "Swat a Bug".
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Post by agibson on Feb 7, 2011 17:26:57 GMT -5
I don't remember the team, but I do remember the game where a mid-major shut down Stephen Curry.
They double teamed him every second on the court. Realizing what was going on, and deciding to take one for the team, he dutifully took his two defenders and stood out of the way of the action. They stood there with him. Or so the story goes. And, he let Davidson win playing four on three, without him.
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Post by valpofan56 on Feb 7, 2011 17:53:20 GMT -5
I don't remember the team, but I do remember the game where a mid-major shut down Stephen Curry. They double teamed him every second on the court. Realizing what was going on, and deciding to take one for the team, he dutifully took his two defenders and stood out of the way of the action. They stood there with him. Or so the story goes. And, he let Davidson win playing four on three, without him. The team was Loyola (Md.). Boxscore
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Post by milanmiracle on Feb 7, 2011 22:46:46 GMT -5
You'll see I pointed out that YSU should have fouled Buggs "late in the game" not "every single time he touched the ball." I don't remember anyone saying Buggs should have been fouled every possession (if YSU had been smart). I think someone did suggest that, I assumed in jest. Wasn't me - not sure how my quote got dragged into it. I was just finally joining the crowd who's been pointing out that Valpo's really bad at FT's this season. But, that said, I _have_ also wondered if "just foul Buggs all the time" would be a winning strategy. I suppose it's not viable. But, what, a couple of walk-ons, a bench warmer or project, etc? They could probably use up twenty possessions for less than twenty points. Not too bad. I am joking... mostly! But, I do sort of wonder. Well, all of you might be joking, but I am not. Now I certainly wouldn't do it the whole game, but I would absolutely "swat a Bugg" in the last 4 or 5 minutes of the game. During the game, I'd never, ever let him get a layup. Period. Why? There'd be a very harsh penalty if that happened. Let's face it, he's liability as a point guard toward the end of the game. If you don't think another coach is going to go that route during the Horizon League tournament, you're crazy. Now, there are enough positives from his defense, ball handling and ability to penetrate that it mostly outweighs his offensive ineptitude and woeful foul shooting.
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Post by valpo2010 on Feb 11, 2011 22:29:48 GMT -5
I was wandering around the Missouri State message boards and found an interesting comment...
deadred: "watching valpo and detroit play. valpo has a guard named eric buggs who shoots 33% from the FT line."
agrinut: "We should play cooper on him and just foul him every time he touches the ball."
I guess other teams are noticing too...
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Post by stlvufan on Feb 11, 2011 22:41:13 GMT -5
I was wandering around the Missouri State message boards and found an interesting comment... deadred: "watching valpo and detroit play. valpo has a guard named eric buggs who shoots 33% from the FT line." agrinut: "We should play cooper on him and just foul him every time he touches the ball."I guess other teams are noticing too... I sincerely hope they do just that. They'll lose.
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Post by vuweathernerd on Feb 11, 2011 23:02:11 GMT -5
I was wandering around the Missouri State message boards and found an interesting comment... deadred: "watching valpo and detroit play. valpo has a guard named eric buggs who shoots 33% from the FT line." agrinut: "We should play cooper on him and just foul him every time he touches the ball."I guess other teams are noticing too... I sincerely hope they do just that. They'll lose. i hope that if they do that, he decides to go perfect from the line
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