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Post by agibson on Jan 10, 2011 4:28:36 GMT -5
Hmm... Furman and Murray state both lost. So did Vermont, and Kent State (now on a three game slide). Maybe we have a chance.
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Post by rs on Jan 10, 2011 21:04:11 GMT -5
New Mid-Major Top 25 UPDATED: Jan. 10, 2011
Record
Points
Previous
1. St. Mary's (25) 14-2 761 2
2. Gonzaga (3) 11-5 718 4
3. Missouri State 13-3 704 7
4. Old Dominion 12-3 660 6
5. Butler (2) 12-5 652 5
6. Wichita State 13-3 634 3
7. Cleveland State (1) 15-3 585 1
8. Coastal Carolina 14-2 512 13
9. Harvard 11-3 465 15
10. North Texas 13-3 420 9
11. Oakland 11-8 418 16
12. George Mason 10-5 414 10
13. VCU 11-5 409 12
14. Portland 12-4 352 11
15. Drexel 10-4 328 8
16. Montana 11-5 290 14
17. College of Charleston 11-5 252 18
18. Belmont 13-3 220 21
19. Creighton 12-5 193 17
20. James Madison 13-3 188 23
21. Princeton 11-4 185 24
22. Fairfield 12-3 112 NR
23. Hofstra 10-5 98 NR
24. Valparaiso 12-5 46 NR
25. Furman 11-4 43 25
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Austin Peay 41, Murray State 40, Iona 39, Hampton 36, Kent State 35, Jacksonville 33, Vermont 30, Rider 24, Buffalo 18, South Dakota State 17, Wright State 17, Loyola Chicago 16, Ohio 11, Detroit 10, Florida Atlantic 9, American 9, Northern Iowa 7, Quinnipiac 7, Stephen F Austin 5, Ball State 4, Liberty 4, Morehead State 3, IPFW 1, Long Beach State 1.
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Post by sanitylost17 on Jan 10, 2011 22:57:47 GMT -5
Listed below are just a few reasons why this poll is kind of a waste of time.
- There are 6 teams from the CAA in the top 25.
- Loyola is still getting just as many votes as Wright State.
I'm guessing most voters have never even seen the teams they are voting for. It's fun to discuss it, but I don't put much stock in this.
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Post by agibson on Jan 11, 2011 9:11:05 GMT -5
Listed below are just a few reasons why this poll is kind of a waste of time. - There are 6 teams from the CAA in the top 25. - Loyola is still getting just as many votes as Wright State. I'm guessing most voters have never even seen the teams they are voting for. It's fun to discuss it, but I don't put much stock in this. I mean, it's only a poll - sure. It has all the strengths and weaknesses of any other poll. But, I think that asking a bunch of midmajor coaches, "Who do you think are the best midmajor teams?" is a reasonable thing to do. The top and middle of the CAA seem pretty strong. I don't think it's crazy to have six teams represented - it's at least broadly consistent with e.g. Pomeroy's computer ranking. Loyola started 7-0 and has been on their way down. Wright State started 3-5 and has been on there way up. I don't think it's crazy that they're at about the same place (receiving votes) in the poll. I don't know what to make of either team, definitively, myself. In any case, as far as I'm concerned, it's good to be in the top 25! Can we lose even one game this weekend and remain? Why risk it, let's win both! |
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Post by agibson on Jan 11, 2011 9:26:15 GMT -5
Put it another way:
By RPI the 10th-14th leagues are: CAA, Horizon, MVC, West Coast, and Ivy.
(So that's the 1st-5th place leagues of the 23 considered in the poll.)
Those leagues have 6, 3 (with 3 more receiving votes), 3 (with 1 more RV), 3, and
2 representatives in the top 25, respectively.
That maybe looks a bit distorted, or the top and middle of the CAA may
really be that good, but I don't think it's a crazy distribution.
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Post by agibson on Jan 18, 2011 16:55:28 GMT -5
#20. Not bad, but the voters are a pretty tough audience!
January 29 hosting Butler is the next chance for a big jump (and just before the Bracketbuster announcements!). Followed closely by the Cleveland State return game.
But, seriously, #20 is great. Are best showing since... ?
UPDATED: Jan. 17, 2011
1. St. Mary's (28) 16-2 772 1
2. Gonzaga (3) 13-5 715 2
3. Missouri State 15-3 706 3
4. Wichita State 15-3 659 6
5. Old Dominion 13-4 651 4
6. Butler 13-6 619 5
7. Cleveland State 16-3 591 7
8. Coastal Carolina 16-2 506 8
9. Harvard 12-3 461 9
10. Oakland 12-8 422 11
11. VCU 13-5 420 13
12. George Mason 12-5 418 12
13. Montana 13-5 407 16
14. Portland 14-4 351 14
15. Drexel 11-5 321 15
16. Belmont 16-3 293 18
17. College of Charleston 12-5 255 17
18. James Madison 15-3 213 20
19. North Texas 14-4 199 10
20. Valparaiso 14-5 157 24
21. Princeton 11-4 141 21
22. Iona 12-6 136 NR
23. Fairfield 12-4 128 22
24. Ball State 11-4 62 NR
25. Hofstra 11-6 57 23
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Furman 47, Murray State 43, Creighton 42, Wright State 41, Long Beach State 36, Long Island 36, Florida Atlantic, Maine 20, Indiana State 15, Vermont 15, UC Santa Barbara 14, Rider 12, Stephen F Austin 12, Kent State 10, South Dakota State 10, Hampton 8, Northern Iowa 7, Quinnipiac 7, Loyola Chicago9, Austin Peay 5, Akron 4, Bucknell 4, Liberty 4, American 2, McNeese State 1, Ohio 1.
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Post by dylanrocks on Jan 18, 2011 17:10:45 GMT -5
These polls are completely worthless, except as fodder for discussion.
After all, would you rather be ranked No. 48 in the RPI or No. 20 in the mid-major top 25?
Loyola's getting nine votes. What, are they grandfathered in this poll ... from 1985?
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Post by stlvufan on Jan 18, 2011 19:21:41 GMT -5
Well, they're kinda nice to be a part of, but yeah, not much import to it. The only truly important thing is to win on March 8th.
Now, do it as the #1 seed (and I'll move heaven and earth if necessary to be there in that case), and the RPI can be extremely important in terms of seeding.
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Post by dylanrocks on Jan 18, 2011 21:10:07 GMT -5
I have a feeling, STL, that if Valpo gains homecourt advantage for the H League tourney, the fans here will become big, big fans of the format. As we learned in Milwaukee several times over the last decade, it's good to be king.
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Post by stlvufan on Jan 18, 2011 21:38:56 GMT -5
I have a feeling, STL, that if Valpo gains homecourt advantage for the H League tourney, the fans here will become big, big fans of the format. As we learned in Milwaukee several times over the last decade, it's good to be king. No doubt  |
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Post by rlh on Jan 19, 2011 0:14:46 GMT -5
I will never be a fan of the format for the tournament....but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take advantage if it presents itself.
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Post by bbtds on Jan 19, 2011 8:35:09 GMT -5
I will never be a fan of the format for the tournament....but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take advantage if it presents itself. Yes, it seems similar to all the class A high schools having to beat out the class 4A teams in the Indiana State HS Tourney before they went to class divisions. Think about that all you who advocate for the one class tournament. Of course in the cases of the IPS (Indy Public Schools) they have no chance no matter which class they play. The days of Washington, Attucks and Arsenal Tech winning the state tourney I believe are over and that is sad for many many people. |
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Post by rlh on Jan 19, 2011 10:10:43 GMT -5
I went to Lafayette Jeff when we won in 1964....so I know what you say....BUT those people at schools like Wheeler and Morgan Township who have experienced state finals would always say the change was good one, and I understand that....but I still don't like the double bye....but if we get it, use the system
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Post by agibson on Jan 25, 2011 4:10:47 GMT -5
A topsy-turvy week in the poll. Butler, Old Dominion and Gonzaga (x2!) all pick up conference losses and plummet. Oakland and Coastal Carolina (!) are all above all three of theme. Cleveland State jumps back up to #2.
Valpo hangs in at #22. Wright State's not far out of it - if they sweep the Wisconsin road trip, perhaps they enter the poll?
UPDATED: Jan. 24, 2011
Record Points Previous
1. St. Mary's (26) 17-3 768 1 West Coast
2. Cleveland State (2) 18-3 704 7 Horizon League
3. Missouri State (3) 16-4 655 3 Missouri Valley
4. Wichita State 16-4 627 4 Missouri Valley
5. VCU 15-5 569 11 Colonial Athletic
6. George Mason 14-5 543 12 Colonial Athletic
7. Harvard 13-3 532 9 Ivy League
8. Coastal Carolina 18-2 529 8 Big South
9. Oakland 14-8 502 10 Summit League
10. Gonzaga 13-7 487 2 West Coast
11. Old Dominion 14-5 481 5 Colonial Athletic
12. Butler 14-7 480 6 Horizon League
13. Belmont 18-3 467 16 Atlantic Sun
14. Montana 15-5 324 13 Big Sky
15. North Texas 16-4 270 19 Sun Belt
16. Portland 14-6 231 14 West Coast
17. College of Charleston 14-6 224 17 Southern
18. Fairfield 15-4 223 23 Metro Atlantic
19. Ball State 13-4 173 24 Mid-American
20. Princeton 12-4 169 21 Ivy League
21. James Madison 15-5 164 18 Colonial Athletic
22. Valparaiso 15-6 128 20 Horizon League
23. Hofstra 13-6 124 25 Colonial Athletic
24. Drexel 12-6 89 15 Colonial Athletic
25. Iona 13-7 79 22 Metro Atlantic
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Northern Iowa 78, Wright State 72, Florida Atlantic 69, Indiana State 47, Furman 45, Hampton 43, Long Island 39, Bucknell 24, Creighton 24, Maine 16, Wofford 16, Vermont 12, American 10, South Dakota State 10, Long Beach State 8, Kent State 7, Buffalo 5, Northern Colorado 4, Akron 2, Columbia 1, East Tennessee State 1.
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Post by okinawatyphoon on Jan 25, 2011 13:18:50 GMT -5
It's frustrating to see several teams we've beaten up there above us.
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