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Post by zvillehaze on Dec 20, 2010 20:34:15 GMT -5
I'll agree with 72 on this one. A close win over a winless team with the 3rd worst RPI among the 345 DI teams may not be something to brag about, it's certainly better than losing to a winless team like Valpo did last week at Toledo. Throw in the big win over a very good IPFW team, and Valpo is clearly heading in the right direction.
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Post by stlvufan on Dec 20, 2010 22:07:28 GMT -5
We had no answer for Brandon Bowdry (24 pts). He had his way with everyone. 56, I'll give you this game too as another off game for Cory. A couple of bad fouls. He did have plenty of bright spots, though. I saw Erik Buggs wince in pain (groin area) late in the 1st half. Ouch; hope it was nothing. Be on the lookout for injury news on Keith Benson, though nothing serious. He landed wrong early in the 2nd half, but limped to the bench on his own power, and was back in the game momentarily. I actually hope it is nothing, I'd like to see OU at full strength tomorrow. I also wish there were more than about 20 Valpo fans in the house We're gonna be terribly outnumbered. Seems to me in the past we've had one whole section or at least the majority of it. I'm guessing it's mostly those VU fans that live here. Back in my hotel room watching Da Bears beat up the Vikings. Yes!
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Post by vu72 on Dec 20, 2010 22:25:11 GMT -5
You guys are great at criticism. We won and against a team that lost in Overtime to Detroit, not a D2 or D3 team. And oh by the way, this was much more of a home game for them than us. 5 of their 7 losses were on the road and then a 4 point loss at home to Drake and the OT loss to Detroit. This is the biggest bunch of BS I've read yet from you. Oh my gosh, you mean EMU went to overtime with Detroit! Well, jeez, I'm just glad they even let us step onto the court with them. Detroit is a decent team, but because of their lack of depth, they have had and will continue to have games where they play pretty awful. Eastern Michigan was one of those games. Valpo should have stomped this terribly inferior EMU team. There is absolutely no excuses for why they continue to do stupid things down the stretch. The lack of fundamentals is astonishing. If it continues to happen, Homer deserves to lose his job over it.Now who is flinging the bs? We'll see how you feel about Detroit after they play us and other Horizon teams. Lose his job? What are you smoking? What did you say after he totally out coached Jim Whitesell? How about after he totally out coached boy wonder Dane Fife? The coach doesn't play the games. Ask the Illinois coach. Should he lose his job after losing to friging UIC? WE WON THE GAME!!!!!!!!! Be happy!! ;D
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Post by rlh on Dec 20, 2010 22:42:24 GMT -5
You guys are great at criticism. We won and against a team that lost in Overtime to Detroit, not a D2 or D3 team. And oh by the way, this was much more of a home game for them than us. 5 of their 7 losses were on the road and then a 4 point loss at home to Drake and the OT loss to Detroit. This is the biggest bunch of BS I've read yet from you. Oh my gosh, you mean EMU went to overtime with Detroit! Well, jeez, I'm just glad they even let us step onto the court with them. Detroit is a decent team, but because of their lack of depth, they have had and will continue to have games where they play pretty awful. Eastern Michigan was one of those games. Valpo should have stomped this terribly inferior EMU team. There is absolutely no excuses for why they continue to do stupid things down the stretch. The lack of fundamentals is astonishing. If it continues to happen, Homer deserves to lose his job over it. Not sure when ;you got so down on Homer and so negative about the Crusaders '56, but my advice would be to find another team to follow. This one is just fine, they have won 8 games, lost one they should have won and lost one they could have won....not unlike a whole bunch of teams....I have watched a lot of teams, games and coaches in my 64 years, and obviously I am watching something different from what you are watching....Either way, it's still ONLY college basketball...enjoy it....It's certainly not worth the frustration you seem to be feeling
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Post by sanitylost17 on Dec 20, 2010 22:46:00 GMT -5
I'm guessing it's difficult to stay motivated to play hard when you have dominated a team for 37 minutes in front of a record crowd of dozens of people.
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Post by valpofan56 on Dec 20, 2010 23:48:25 GMT -5
This is the biggest bunch of BS I've read yet from you. Oh my gosh, you mean EMU went to overtime with Detroit! Well, jeez, I'm just glad they even let us step onto the court with them. Detroit is a decent team, but because of their lack of depth, they have had and will continue to have games where they play pretty awful. Eastern Michigan was one of those games. Valpo should have stomped this terribly inferior EMU team. There is absolutely no excuses for why they continue to do stupid things down the stretch. The lack of fundamentals is astonishing. If it continues to happen, Homer deserves to lose his job over it. Not sure when ;you got so down on Homer and so negative about the Crusaders '56, but my advice would be to find another team to follow. This one is just fine, they have won 8 games, lost one they should have won and lost one they could have won....not unlike a whole bunch of teams....I have watched a lot of teams, games and coaches in my 64 years, and obviously I am watching something different from what you are watching....Either way, it's still ONLY college basketball...enjoy it....It's certainly not worth the frustration you seem to be feeling Seriously?! First of all, I don't doubt Homer's in game coaching ability. Very rarely can I find something that I really disagree with in that regard. There is far more to coaching than the X's and O's. Look at Roy Williams. Guy's gotta be one of the worst in-game coaches in the country, yet UNC still seems to win quite a few games each year. Why? 1. Recruiting (which obviously they get good recruits, because of who they are) and 2. Fundamentals. This Valpo team is really lacking in fundamentals and that is a major indictment of coaching. And rlh, being a fan isn't all about mindlessly thinking your team does everything great all the time. True fans can absolutely hate everything about what their team is doing at times and still love them. I think this team has the opportunity to be really great this year and it's frustrating to see them do stupid things that will eventually cost them games against teams that don't have a 300+ RPI. I get that Valpo won, and that's great. A 30 point win and a 1 point win look the same in March, but this crap that's been happening for long stretches in games only builds bad habits for later in the season. Good teams can't make a habit of having turnovers on 4 or more straight possessions.
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Post by vuweathernerd on Dec 21, 2010 0:08:03 GMT -5
i'll give 56 the point about fundamentals. it seems to me to be a worsening problem, which is cause for concern. we have problems boxing out on the boards. we don't bang around in the paint (aside from kevin, and cory on occasion), especially on interior players in foul trouble. ball control problems are everywhere. if homer cannot right the ship, then maybe it's time for him to step down and let bryce take his turn.
what we need is CONSISTENT shooting from the perimeter. we went 2-11 from 3 tonight. we have to go back to the game against northern colorado to find respectable 3pt shooting. we have two guys (howard and rowdy) shooting over 42% from 3. but they don't seem to be the ones taking the shots. instead they're coming from rogers, who can't hit the broad side of a barn, and cory and bwood who have lost their shot from that range.
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Post by drewsaders11 on Dec 21, 2010 0:52:54 GMT -5
...I really doubt we need to be calling for Homer to lose his job over this.
I think the team, including Homer and the players, simply need to not be complacent and keep attacking once they get a double digit lead. Things could be worse...they could be better. We are currently 2-0 in the Horizon, with 6 d-1 wins. Not too bad.
Tomorrow will present a good opportunity against a quality Mid-Major. Lets get the trophy.
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Post by rlh on Dec 21, 2010 0:58:46 GMT -5
As I said, I disagree with what you guys think you see....i see many many more positives than negatives and I'm not a casual observer. Whether it means anything to you or not, i've been paid for many years to understand what I'm watching in games and I don't agree with some of what you think you see. It really doesn't matter whether we agree or not, the games will go on, the kids will do what they do, and the coaches will coach the way they coach....the results determine the success and right now we are about where many of us thought we would be. I figured we'd be 10-4 or 9-5 heading into the first of the year, and if we win one of the next two that's rexactly where we are, if we win both we're 10-4....I'm not sure fundamentals are the cause of the rebounding problems, more like lack of size....I get just as frustrated during games as anyone else, the difference is I look for the positive things that are happening after the game, and can let it go. It really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, and I make my living talking about sports....some of you take this way to seriously.....and by the way, Homer Drew is a very good, if not great coach....Ask other coaches if you don't want to believe me, you won't find many who disagree
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Post by vusupporter on Dec 21, 2010 1:01:57 GMT -5
Amazing how much vitirol can be thrown around regarding a game which was within two possessions for two seconds in the second half...in the interest of fair and balanced, I present:
a) Points in the paint. Valpo wins 44-16. Against a team that started 6-10, 6-6, 6-6 and brought 6-9 and 6-6 in off the bench. That's offensive aggression.
b) Turnovers. We forced 21, 12 of which were steals. Outscored EMU in points off turnovers 26-10.
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Post by stlvufan on Dec 21, 2010 1:43:23 GMT -5
Be on the lookout for injury news on Keith Benson, though nothing serious. He landed wrong early in the 2nd half, but limped to the bench on his own power, and was back in the game momentarily. I actually hope it is nothing, I'd like to see OU at full strength tomorrow. Two more things to look for, in my opinion: 1. Especially in the 2nd half, Rochester College was able to score a lot of points on back door layups. Valpo looks for that whenever it can find it. Maybe Oakland was simply playing down to its competition, but they could be vulnerable on that front. 2. I forgot Maybe I'll remember tomorrow...
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Post by valpofan56 on Dec 21, 2010 1:44:01 GMT -5
As I said, I disagree with what you guys think you see....i see many many more positives than negatives and I'm not a casual observer. Whether it means anything to you or not, i've been paid for many years to understand what I'm watching in games and I don't agree with some of what you think you see. It really doesn't matter whether we agree or not, the games will go on, the kids will do what they do, and the coaches will coach the way they coach....the results determine the success and right now we are about where many of us thought we would be. I figured we'd be 10-4 or 9-5 heading into the first of the year, and if we win one of the next two that's rexactly where we are, if we win both we're 10-4....I'm not sure fundamentals are the cause of the rebounding problems, more like lack of size....I get just as frustrated during games as anyone else, the difference is I look for the positive things that are happening after the game, and can let it go. It really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, and I make my living talking about sports....some of you take this way to seriously.....and by the way, Homer Drew is a very good, if not great coach....Ask other coaches if you don't want to believe me, you won't find many who disagree I've played more than my fair share of basketball, so I think I'm in a position to make a few judgement calls. I know when a team is being careless. And for the last time, I'm not saying Homer should be fired over this game or any one game in particular. I don't get where people are getting that from. What I said was, if the team continues to play sloppy/stupid basketball for the rest of the season, then I think a change needs to be made.
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Post by rlh on Dec 21, 2010 2:25:24 GMT -5
As has been stated...you are entitled to you opinion, and I will have mine.....
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Post by stlvufan on Dec 21, 2010 12:44:37 GMT -5
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Post by dylanrocks on Dec 21, 2010 12:52:22 GMT -5
So, here appears to be the question at hand:
Is the third-best team in the Horizon League better than the top team in the Summit ... on their court?
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