FB Coaching Candidates

[lurkingdog]

Jumping ahead of the announcement that Adams is gone? Yes.

Nonetheless, I submit David Elson as a candidate to coach Crusader football. JJ and the rest of the "selection committee" should know that he has been dismissed as the coach at (0-9) Western Kentucky. A native of Indianapolis, Elson was one of the original PFL players in 1993...

...at Butler.

[vuweathernerd]

i heard tony dungy's still available too...

[valporun]

Bill Cowher is also available.

[lurkingdog]

...and Jon Gruden. (Dayton alum)

[crusaderguy08]

Nov 10, 2009 23:24:13 GMT -5 lurkingdog said:

...and Jon Gruden. (Dayton alum)

I would prefer to enjoy his remarkable analysis on MNF for now. Even at the expense of the Valpo FB program. He is one of the best I have heard calling NFL games.

[manu]

Wow. This is beyond ridiculous. How do we expect the football program to do good when it has no support? Stacy Adams is the head coach and there is no reason to put something like this out there. This is pathetic.
I
wish there were blogs and newspaper articles that negatively evaluate your jobs all the time.

[ValpoDad]

Nov 11, 2009 0:10:10 GMT -5 manu said:

Wow. This is beyond ridiculous. How do we expect the football program to do good when it has no support?

I have to ask, are you a supporter of the football program or are you a supporter of Coach Adams retaining his job?

We bitch and gripe because we do care, we do support the program. We care about the reputation of the school. We care for the student athletes and want them to have an enjoyable college experience.

I would have to argue that your comments lead me to believe that you are less of a supporter of the team and more of a supporter of making sure Coach Adams has a job. I'm guessing you must be a football staff member and know that your job relies on him retaining his job.

[manu]

I am a supporter of making the football program better and believe that Coach Adams has had more than enough time to keep his job. I am not a staff member. Far from it. However, in terms of the players and potential recruits that read things like this I find that this is far from productive. How does bashing the program (coaches included) make you supporters of the program? If you are worried about the reputation of the school then I would focus on much more than just making stupid comments on a blog.

[valpo84]

I think a healthy discussion about whether Coach Adams should remain is a good thing. Further, a 15-38 record in 5 seasons begs for the question to be asked -- should he remain. The critical questions are is there improvement, are we competitive, do the offensive and defensive schemes work, are the players better in their 3d and 4th (or 5th) years than their first, what is his plan for being successful in the PFL.

Additionally, I would like to hear real discussion about a next coach. What traits should he (or she) have, should it be a successful D2 or 3 coach or an assistant from a D1AA scholarship program or an Ivy/Patriot League with similar academics?

We wouldn't post on this topic and football in general if we didn't care or support the University. I personally do not feel that there has been improvement or progress. If we lose to Campbell the decision is even easier.

[mj]

If When we lose to Campbell the decision is even easier.

Fixed.

[ValpoDad]

Nov 11, 2009 16:08:50 GMT -5 manu said:

I am a supporter of making the football program better.....

Awesome, we agree on something.

..... and believe that Coach Adams has had more than enough time to keep his job.

Sorry, you lost me on this one.

I am not a staff member. Far from it. However, in terms of the players and potential recruits that read things like this I find that this is far from productive.

So...we should stay quiet, sucker some good recruit into coming and then let him be miserable when he finds out that his coach is struggling to put a competitive product on the field. Um, sorry, I can't do that.

How does bashing the program (coaches included) make you supporters of the program?

Other than jj wanting to drop football, just when has anyone else made one negative comment about the "program" in general? By supporting Coach Adams, you're approving of how the program is progressing. Again, I can't do that.

If you are worried about the reputation of the school then I would focus on much more than just making stupid comments on a blog.

I'm the one making "stupid" comments? Huh.

[manu]

1. Coach Adams has had more than enough time to prove himself.
2.Not saying we should stay quite. Just be tactful in how you go about bringing change.
3. Look at past articles and tell me whether or not there are negative comments. Really. Do that. Heck...look at this overall topic.
4. I am not approving of how the program is progressing. I agree there needs to be changed. New coach for sure. However...it will take a lot more than a fresh face to make this team better.
5. Yes you are making stupid comments. For example...you compared the Valparaiso area to that of the Metropolitan area of Indianapolis. I don't even think I need to explain that comment.

[manu]

Also, look at what the Memphis coach who was recently fired said.

[valpo04]

Nov 11, 2009 19:32:22 GMT -5 manu said:

Also, look at what the Memphis coach who was recently fired said.

I assume you weren't referring to this quote:

However, West, in a blistering critique, said the program is doomed to underachieve until the UofM addresses a lack of facilities and overall funding and fully commits to football.

''At some point in time you've got to say, 'We've got to help this football program,'" West said. "We've got to do the things necessary to make this what we want it or do away with it."

[CO_VU_Fan]

Nov 11, 2009 17:36:59 GMT -5 valpo84 said:

I think a healthy discussion about whether Coach Adams should remain is a good thing. Further, a 15-38 record in 5 seasons begs for the question to be asked -- should he remain. The critical questions are is there improvement, are we competitive, do the offensive and defensive schemes work, are the players better in their 3d and 4th (or 5th) years than their first, what is his plan for being successful in the PFL.

Additionally, I would like to hear real discussion about a next coach. What traits should he (or she) have, should it be a successful D2 or 3 coach or an assistant from a D1AA scholarship program or an Ivy/Patriot League with similar academics?

We wouldn't post on this topic and football in general if we didn't care or support the University. I personally do not feel that there has been improvement or progress. If we lose to Campbell the decision is even easier.

Oct 26, 2009 11:24:20 GMT -5 CO_VU_Fan said:

Oct 25, 2009 15:30:56 GMT -5 valpo89 said:

I have been watching VU football faithfully since 1990. Yesterday's performance was among the all-time worst, and that is saying something.

You missed the 1988 season:

1988: 0-9-1
Coach: Bill Koch
W/L Date PF Opponent PA Location Notes
T 09/10/1988 0 Wisconsin-Oshkosh 0 Oshkosh, WI
L 09/17/1988 17 Wayne St. (MI) 48 Valparaiso, IN
L 09/24/1988 19 Wisconsin-Stevens Point 56 Valparaiso, IN
L 10/01/1988 0 Indianapolis (IN) 56 Indianapolis, IN
L 10/08/1988 0 Franklin (IN) 62 Valparaiso, IN
L 10/15/1988 0 Butler (IN) 56 Valparaiso, IN
L 10/22/1988 14 Ashland (OH) 41 Ashland, OH
L 10/29/1988 14 Evansville (IN) 28 Valparaiso, IN
L 11/05/1988 6 Dayton (OH) 55 Dayton, OH
L 11/12/1988 6 Saint Joseph's (IN) 50 Rensselaer, IN


or:

cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_game_by_game.php?coachid=3596&year=1988

If VU is serious about competing in football, then changes beyond a new field will be needed. During evaluation time after the season is complete, I would suggest talking to a successful Division I coach that previously had success at a lower level (Tressel, Paul Johnson, & Brian Kelly come to mind). No, not about them taking the VU job, but what it would take (facilities, capital spending on coaching staffs, schedule, etc.) to succeed at a school such as VU, with limitations of the no-scholarship conference. And maybe find out if they know of any young coaches that will be head coach material, and might be willing to take on a project like VU as a stepping stone to other coaching positions. With the high school talent within a three hour drive of VU, our football program should be more competitive within our conference. We should have the possibility of a 9-1 season every few years, not a 1-9 season.

What program does VU want to emulate? Talk to the AD/Coaches from those schools that have good I-AA or Div II programs, and find out what it takes to be competitive. Also find out if there are any young, energetic coaches out there that would be willing to start from scratch - on their way to bigger and better programs. The VU administration will need to have these kind of discussions soon, so that if it is decided to make a change, we are ready.