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Post by lurkingdog on Nov 17, 2009 22:55:22 GMT -5
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Post by fwalum on Nov 18, 2009 1:07:38 GMT -5
Or maybe Coach Land who has taken Trine from abismal to 9-1 conference champs in 3 years. Trine head coach Matt LandHe and his staff have an interesting mix of collegiate and professional experience.
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Post by rlh on Nov 18, 2009 7:49:58 GMT -5
There are two things to consider before continuing this discussion in my opinion....one, Stacy Adams is still the football coach at Valparaiso University until there is an announcement that he isn't...so speculation as to who would be hired to replace him is a a little premature...and two, just because a coach won at another school does not always mean he can win at the school he's going to. (re: Rich Rodriguez at Michigan). In college it's all about recruiting first. Everyone (even some old sportscasters) know the X's and O's...it getting the right players and putting them in the right position that counts. When you're playing this many freshman because of injuries or for whatever reason it's going to be tough to win period. ....the question the administration needs to answer is is the football program going in the right direction.....and that at a school like Valpo is not measured simply by wons and losses.
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Post by stlvufan on Nov 18, 2009 8:53:30 GMT -5
You're on the right track. Drake hired Chris Creighton two years ago from Wabash (his religious fundamentalism would seem to make him a better fit at Valpo, but that's another story). I have no great desire to open a huge can of worms, but personally I *doubt* that would make him a better fit at Valpo. In fact, it might make him a worse fit, though I could also see a candidate like him splitting the VU community since Valpo is still a mix of LCMS and ELCA. However, my hunch is that LCMS views VU as an institution that has strayed very far from The Path, and that is telling.
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Post by lurkingdog on Nov 18, 2009 10:33:00 GMT -5
I didn't mean to open it up either. As far as I know, he isn't even Lutheran.
But I'd guess that if Drake had a significant contingent of MS alumni, more Bulldog fans would be tolerant of the shenanigans he pulls in the name of clean Christian living.
Please don't take that as an editorial comment on Lutherans. Not my intent whatsoever.
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Post by stlvufan on Nov 18, 2009 21:55:01 GMT -5
I didn't mean to open it up either. As far as I know, he isn't even Lutheran. But I'd guess that if Drake had a significant contingent of MS alumni, more Bulldog fans would be tolerant of the shenanigans he pulls in the name of clean Christian living. Please don't take that as an editorial comment on Lutherans. Not my intent whatsoever. No worries, lurkingdog. I don't even know if I'm right about present-day VU as I'm not even an alum. I do know that VU at the very least straddles the line between ELCA and LCMS. I think your statement is probably accurate.
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Post by lurkingdog on Nov 19, 2009 18:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by rlh on Nov 19, 2009 22:37:12 GMT -5
I didn't mean to open it up either. As far as I know, he isn't even Lutheran. But I'd guess that if Drake had a significant contingent of MS alumni, more Bulldog fans would be tolerant of the shenanigans he pulls in the name of clean Christian living. Please don't take that as an editorial comment on Lutherans. Not my intent whatsoever. No worries, lurkingdog. I don't even know if I'm right about present-day VU as I'm not even an alum. I do know that VU at the very least straddles the line between ELCA and LCMS. I think your statement is probably accurate. Truthfully guys, I don't think the different Lutheran denominations have anything to do with it. I became friends with a player from Chesterton (10 miles north of Valpo) last year, who was being recruited by Drake...he told me Valpo had never contacted him in any way...that might be your problem....
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Post by stlvufan on Nov 19, 2009 22:57:30 GMT -5
No worries, lurkingdog. I don't even know if I'm right about present-day VU as I'm not even an alum. I do know that VU at the very least straddles the line between ELCA and LCMS. I think your statement is probably accurate. Truthfully guys, I don't think the different Lutheran denominations have anything to do with it. That was just a tangent. Didn't mean (and neither did lurkingdog, I'm sure) to imply that denominational affiliation had any impact on the main issue under discussion.
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Post by vuweathernerd on Nov 20, 2009 11:18:34 GMT -5
if we're not even talking to kids in chesterton, what are the odds we're going a little further west, towards merrillville, lowell, etc.? another nail in the coffin of coach adams' public opinion perhaps?
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Post by lurkingdog on Nov 22, 2009 21:07:08 GMT -5
Midwest native Roger Hughes is on the job market, after Princeton gave him a pink slip today. He coached the Tigers to the Ivy League title in 2006, but the team managed only four wins this year (DROP FOOTBALL...lol).
He remains under contract with the athletic department through 2011, but I'm sure Valpo could make a deal to save Mr. Hughes from whatever useless job they'll plan for him the next two years.
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Post by valporun on Nov 23, 2009 10:39:50 GMT -5
Should Coach Adams be dropped, Roger Hughes would have a good idea of how to handle coaching football at a school where the kids want a solid education without the scholarship pressures, since the IVY League also is a non-scholarship setting. It would definitely be a good hire for that reason, and it wouldn't touch the concerns of denominations or going from a scholarship program to a program where recruiting gets a little more complicated because of affordability.
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Post by valpomichigan on Nov 26, 2009 12:18:03 GMT -5
Isn't the whole point of this potential coaching change to win games?! Why in the h-e-double toothpicks would we replace one losing coach with another? Talk about spinning your wheels!
Hughes? Are you kidding me?
Cornell's Coon? 2-8!
Lakeland? Mediocre at best!
Wow. If we're going to continue losing, I'd rather lose with the coaches we have.
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Post by milanmiracle on Nov 26, 2009 16:24:45 GMT -5
I agree, pick SOMEBODY with a winning record, even if they're a middle school JV coach. This culture needs changed more than anything else. Finishing .500 should not be a goal and or an accomplishment!
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Post by vuweathernerd on Nov 26, 2009 21:20:54 GMT -5
but based on what we've endured lately, finishing around .500 is a great goal. my parents were at vu in the late 70s, and their performances every year were much like what we saw this yaer.
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