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Post by stlvufan on Jan 30, 2011 11:19:16 GMT -5
Let me clarify the "act like you've been there before" statement. Has Valpo beaten Butler in recent memory? No. Could they have? Yes. Go look at the scores. My point is this...aim higher. Expect to beat Butler, expect to beat Washington (a bigger win than Butler in my opinion). Did Butler storm the court when they beat Stanford? No. Granted they just came of a national title appearance, but beating big teams was nothing new to them even before their miracle run. The players and the fans expect to win. If Valpo beat a ranked BCS opponent, fine storm the court. But if not, set your expectations higher... NCAA tournament or bust! Well, that's a much better argument than "Act like you've been there before." I happen to agree with you, by the way.
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Post by stlvufan on Jan 30, 2011 11:25:24 GMT -5
Let me state first and foremost that no one is ever going to be completely right on this "court rush" situation, so let's make sure we all don't get too bent on it. Being one of the many who did make it onto the floor, here's my take: The only people who have disagreed with that act, or even come close to thinking about it negatively, are people on this board. As fans, we never questioned it for a second. Homer and the team really seemed to enjoy it. The few writers/ARC employees I talked to seemed to take it as the right response, no questions asked. Does it still seem weird? Of course, it's not like the past few years when a Valpo win would have meant a court storming against a Top 25 basketball team where no one would think to criticize the students. Still, a lot of us were still in diapers or had no idea who VU or BU were when the Crusaders last defeated the Bulldogs. That win took out a lot of angst, and storming the court helped provide for some of that release. Plus, let's be honest, it's fun! In reference to the notes about safety and handshakes, nothing I saw live or in the numerous videos online seemed to disrupt that. The teams were given their space next to the scorer's table, and to be honest, that was probably the weakest mosh pit I've ever been in. I'd hard pressed to find someone hurt after that! Anyway, that's more than enough from me. Again, no one is completely right or wrong in this. Now, it's time for me to catch the live webcast of women's bowling. Later! Of course it's fun, and I would expect the team that just elicited that response and the students that brought it off incident-free (I trust) would find it acceptable after the fact. You never think something is a problem until it becomes one. Sometimes that's too late. I saw Butler players swimming up stream just a bit to get to the sidelines, by the way. Now, they probably are used to this in the HL and I don't remember any funny looks on their faces. I understand the impulse and even sympathize with it, for the reasons you gave. I also sympathize with milan's sentiment that this is not exactly Duke we're talking about, and -- as panther pointed out, we're hardly the first team to beat Butler (who is unranked) this year. Which is mainly why I stated I have mixed feelings on the subject.
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Post by agibson on Jan 30, 2011 11:39:07 GMT -5
Still, a lot of us were still in diapers or had no idea who VU or BU were when the Crusaders last defeated the Bulldogs. That win took out a lot of angst, and storming the court helped provide for some of that release. Plus, let's be honest, it's fun! Amen, brother!
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Post by fwalum on Jan 30, 2011 11:50:37 GMT -5
milan, I think you're seeing what some additional quickness and dribble drive and post play can do for your 3 shooters. Butler had some of that in the first half when they were like 6 of 13 from 3. Inside- out was working for them and Hahn was also getting some in the 2d half. All of Howard's made 3s in the game were open looks because his man was doubling or helping low. The one Cory had taken the driving guard who kicked back to Howard. Our motion is causing teams fits, and when we get a lead and slow down that motion we start to have issues late in games. I think you have to continue moving and cutting and taking the best shot in the offense from 15-8 seconds in the shot clock rather than starting a set at 12-8 secs. Let me expand on what I am talking about with Broekhoff. I know that others penetrating got Ryan his shots, but two things here...you shouldn't help off him in those situations, and if you absolutely must help, somebody must switch to him and rotate. Yes, that can create mismatches, but which is better in light of what we saw? Have to agree with you milan. What I'm sure was even more disturbing from the Butler coaching standpoint was that most of Ryan's 3's did not come off of a ball reversal from one side of the court to the other. The ball was on the same side of the court as the shooter in most situations. The help or rotation should have been there, especially as we heard a number of times from the broadcast crew, the shooter has the best 3 point shooting percentage in the league. I hope you are liking Ryan's shot a whole lot more now then you did when you first saw the video from a couple of years ago.
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Post by wh on Jan 30, 2011 12:08:46 GMT -5
I find it ironic that some of the complaints about students "rushing" the floor are coming from the same people who less than a week ago were complaining about lack of student attendance and enthusiasm. Let's let them have their fun and quit worrying about the "rule book" of floor rushing. As to safety, this wasn't the running of the bulls or a South American soccer game stampede. It was a bunch of kids slowly jogging to center court with plenty of open space.
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Post by valpo04 on Jan 30, 2011 13:20:01 GMT -5
A critique of the HL online feed...
That was the worst updating of a score ribbon I have ever seen. Several times near the end, they gave one point for a 2pt shot and failed to update it for several minutes. Even as the announcers would say the correct score going into a TO, the ribbon was a few baskets off.
This was awful as I was half listening/working on my laptop! In a game that is so close, its really bad to have the score be incorrect on the screen for any length of time, especially when points would be added one-by-one at random during play.
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Post by humbleopinion on Jan 30, 2011 14:22:49 GMT -5
I find it ironic that some of the complaints about students "rushing" the floor are coming from the same people who less than a week ago were complaining about lack of student attendance and enthusiasm. Let's let them have their fun and quit worrying about the "rule book" of floor rushing. As to safety, this wasn't the running of the bulls or a South American soccer game stampede. It was a bunch of kids slowly jogging to center court with plenty of open space. Amen to that. Students could make it a practice to rush the court after every victory, and I would have no objection, if that meant we had a filled, active student section for each game.
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Post by agibson on Jan 30, 2011 14:50:21 GMT -5
At the end of the press conference, Homer said that storming the court "never gets old".
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Post by browntown on Jan 30, 2011 15:13:39 GMT -5
A critique of the HL online feed... That was the worst updating of a score ribbon I have ever seen. Several times near the end, they gave one point for a 2pt shot and failed to update it for several minutes. Even as the announcers would say the correct score going into a TO, the ribbon was a few baskets off. This was awful as I was half listening/working on my laptop! In a game that is so close, its really bad to have the score be incorrect on the screen for any length of time, especially when points would be added one-by-one at random during play. I agree. That being said, that was also the television feed, and all technical aspects of the broadcast were from sources contracted with Metro Sports. I've watched other exclusive Valpo webcasts this season, and whoever updates the score for their ribbon is a million times quicker, and accurate as well.
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Post by valpomarketingguy on Jan 30, 2011 15:34:23 GMT -5
Press Conference and brief Howard Little interview:
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Post by agibson on Jan 30, 2011 16:16:40 GMT -5
Thanks! Was there a Butler press conference?
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Post by valpomarketingguy on Jan 30, 2011 16:21:24 GMT -5
Thanks! Was there a Butler press conference? We weren't able to capture it, unfortunately. We'll do our best to get home and visitor conferences up when possible.
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Post by us30 on Jan 30, 2011 17:01:12 GMT -5
A great game to watch! Finally got the Butler "mystique" off the back. The haunting '08 loss where the team was up for 59:45 of the game but still lost can be put to rest. Some thoughts: --Great shooting in the 2nd half --The 8 pt lead they lost at the end of regulation wasn't what Valpo did poorly, more of what Butler did well. --Good officiating aside from the last thirty seconds of regulation. Not a continuation on the foul that allowed Howard to get an "and one" basket with :30 left. Clearly a foul on Howard against Johnson's drive with :05 left. --Little's 3 in overtime was head-shakingly sweet. Let the students storm the court. It's a great college experience, and with so many "almost" wins in marquee games, the students deserve it. It's been awhile. Plus, if the VU CRU could storm the court for Belmont (following an 80 foot buzzer beater by Greg Tonagel), this iteration can enjoy the Butler win at half court. Let's hope the atmosphere at the ARC stays strong the rest of the year, now that the fans have witnessed a name brand win at home.
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Post by ml on Jan 30, 2011 17:14:12 GMT -5
Wimps? Just studs. Wood was GREAT. So was the whole team. Wow! The check is in the mail. Go Valpo! JJ, thanks for your continuing support. I very much appreciated your helping to make the new ARC floor happen and everyone here in Athletics appreciates this latest contribution!
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Post by wh on Jan 30, 2011 17:47:19 GMT -5
Comment from titlein2011 after the first Valpo-Butler game: Valpo hit 10 3s and lost by 17 points. Being a passionate fan is one thing, but being utterly irrational is another thing entirely. The teams are not remotely close. Comment from wh after the 2nd Valpo-Butler game: Butler shot out of their mind from 3 (13-28 - 2 more than their previous single game high), Hahn hit 5 3's (2 more than his previous single game high), and Butler still lost by 6 points. Your Bulldogs are who I thought they were.
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